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Twenty years after the publication of the book that almost cost him his life, Sir Salman Rushdie is still glad that he wrote The Satanic Verses.
In the second of a series of interviews with leading cultural figures filmed exclusively for The Times, he tells Clive James that he “wouldn’t not have wanted” to be the writer asking the big questions about religion and civilisation posed by the book.
His remarks are uncomfortably pertinent, coming at a time when Muslim extremists have again driven a literary figure into hiding. This time the victim is Martin Rynja, a Dutch-born London publisher who had agreed to release The Jewel of Medina, a controversial novel by Sherry Jones about the Prophet Muhammad’s relationship with his nine-year-old bride, Aisha.
Mr Rynja’s home in Islington was firebombed in the early hours on Saturday. Undercover police tipped him off hours earlier and arrested three men from East London.
Rushdie criticised Random House, his own publisher, in August for refusing to publish the book in the United States , calling it “censorship by fear.”
The interview stretches beyond the fatwa against Rushdie. It ranges from the partition of India to how he played air-guitar Elvis on a squash racket when a child in Bombay.
Rushdie says he is an atheist who finds dead religions “much more attractive” but says he has nothing against true believers until their faith spills over into the public sphere and becomes “my business”.
Like all the interviewees in the series (Sir Tom Stoppard was the first and Germaine Greer is among others to appear later on Times Online) Rushdie is filmed chatting on a sofa in James’s London flat.
The Times first reviewed The Satanic Verses 20 years ago today. The review carried no hint of the controversy to come but praised the book as “better than Midnight’s Children”, Rushdie’s Booker Prize-winning second novel.
The first sign of serious trouble came four days later when India banned the book after complaints that it was offensive to Muslims and protests began in Muslim communities around the world. In February 1989 Ayatollah Khomeini, then supreme leader of Iran, issued a fatwa calling on all Muslims to murder Rushdie, and the writer went into hiding for the best part of ten years.
Rushdie says: “The question I’m always asking myself is: are we masters or victims? Do we make history or does history make us? Do we shape the world or are we just shaped by it? The question of do we have agency in our lives or whether we are just passive victims of events is, I think, a great question and one that I have always tried to ask. In that sense I wouldn’t not have wanted to be the writer that asked it.”
During his time in hiding there were explosions at bookshops in London, York and High Wycombe, the book’s Japanese translator was stabbed to death, its Italian translator survived a stabbing, its Norwegian publisher narrowly escaped an attempt on his life and 37 people died after a gang set fire to a Turkish hotel where the Turkish translator was staying (he survived).
The writer is more relaxed about his security today but the fatwa cannot be annulled, and when he was knighted last year protests in Pakistan and Malaysia called for his death. No wonder Rushdie prefers “dead religions”.
There are more conversations with Clive James on this website.
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Hi Tim my view is that Rushdie is neither brave nor true because he chose to malign Islam in a non-muslim society where he could get favour! The truth of Islam appears in actions for those who follow it. AlQuran encourages thought and research. Rushdie's views are infirm and misleading.
Hamid, Sheffield, UK
Contoversy over the prophet Mohamed having a nine year old bride? Who'd have thought it? Surely to disapprove in any way just demonstrates my racist Christian hegemonistic world view? Shame on me! On a serious note : How young were some Christian brides in this period?
Eric Skelton, Cardiff, Wales
In response to Hamid from Sheffield, I think he is missing the point - many, many people write against the 'supposedly' dead christianity (e.g. richard dawkins) - the difference is nobody will go and kill you for doing it.
tim, newcastle, england
This guy adds no value to the debate between religion and athesism. He asks the question are we shaped or do we shape our worlds. Well its a bit of both. The book in question was a sad reflection of colonial and uncompromising prejadices against Islam and its founder.
Fahad , London, UK
Rushdie brings to our attention fundamental issues in Islam which are totally at odds with modern, free-thinking societies: violent 'holy' fatwas, lack of religious and intellectual freedom, gender inequality, sexual persecution, and even opposition to democracy itself. Few are as brave as he is.
DC, Tokyo, Japan
Asad, Rushdie writes about India and Pakistan because he grew up in India and Pakistan. Further, to suggest that a writer may be limited only to subjects that are geographically near shows an ignorance of literature.
Rushdie is a man of great courage and talent. "Peace be upon him", as they say.
Walter, Tulsa, USA
If Rushdie is an atheist he should also muster up courage to write againt dead Chritianity. He might get another knighthood with the support of his atheist fellows.
Hamid, sheffield, UK
In a world perverted by religion, it's heartening that people like Rushdie and Dawkins are courageous enough to speak their mind and keep the flame of liberal thinking alive.
May every man discover his faith...untainted by the fallacy of religion.
Deepanjan Nag, Bangalore, India
Steph, Bedfordshire: Well done, love. You've just confined yourself to that ever expanding global group, the uninformed. If a writer can't ask questions that makes us criticise or think, what's the point? Those loathed for their controversy today are often praised for their prescience tomorrow.
Leo, Stellenbosch, South Africa
Most of friends in usa & uk admitted they failed to comlete reading Rushdy verses ...Still it was highly praised by some to sell the book. Strange phenomenon !!!!
Deeb,NY,Ny
A Deeb, NY NY, USA
Who is this Man??? I never even read this book...I agree with Mike from Sydney ATTENTION SEEKER!!!
Steph, bedfordshire, uk
Frank asks "Can i get my beliefs recognised and respected even if i am not following an organised religion ? "
The answer is no. Believe in any old garbage you like - but it's only when you add that it's your 'religion' that things happen, The Government may even give you your own school!
davep, Crieff, Scotland
Sometimes I wonder why a genius like Salman waste his
time on non sensical issues. But , then, doctors are
brainy people ; aren't they ? Surely, we need them.
George, Manchester, UK
Not a good book. How much has Rushdie made? and what has it cost the taxpayer for his attention seeking?
Mike, Sydney,
If Rushdie is an atheist as he says then why does he write about Islam? He lives in the west yet he writes about India and Pakistan. He creates controversy and sensationalizes to sell his books. Where ever he happens to be he wants to be the centre of attention and if he is not he will leave.
Asad Qureshi, Islamabad, Pakistan
We all prefer dead religions. It the bullsh*t peddled by the ones that don't realise that they are nonsense that frightens us.
Fortunata, Austin, USA
' Freedom of speech ' is sacred to me. It is my holy cow.
Can i get my beliefs recognised and respected even if i am not following an organised religion ?
frank, swindon, uk