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When Bill Bruford sits down behind his kit on Saturday night at the London Jazz Festival he will be about to celebrate 40 years as a professional drummer. It’s an anniversary that has put him in pensive mood. And, as we sit in a murky London pub, we try to think of old-timers from the golden age of British rock still punishing a hi-hat. We’re having trouble. “Well, John Bonham is gone, and so is [Keith] Moon. Charlie Watts – he’s just about keeping up, doing the human jukebox thing. Ringo . . . is he still touring?”
Bruford, one of the sharpest, most creative percussionists of his generation, made his name barnstorming around the world with the then highly successful (now sadly unfashionable) titans of prog rock – Yes, King Crimson and Genesis – before moving into the saner realms of jazz, his first love.
“If you survive in this industry for 40 years without too many cuts and bruises, still sober and still getting excited by the smell of a drum set, then you get reflective,” he says. “People think this is a glamourous industry, but it comes with a lot of rough edges. Even though people see I’m obviously enjoying playing, the rest of the stuff can be hard.”
Part of the problem is his illustrious past, and audiences that can’t forget music he made when he was 23. “Sentimental America is all but impossible to play in,” he says. “They’re listening to you playing jazz and they’re hearing Close to the Edge[Yes’s 1972 meisterwerk]. Typically the person in the audience is a well-meaning gent of 45 and he says: ‘Bill, I love what you’re doing, don’t ever stop.’ I guess I’m affirming to him that Close to the Edge is still alive but I think: ‘The hell with this, don’t instruct me not to stop.’ ”
Bruford, whose demeanour is more urbane college lecturer than seasoned road warrior, laughs heartily but, at 58, he is unsure of his next move. “Has anyone over 60, outside maybe of Picasso, really offered fresh directions?” he muses. But he doesn’t want to appear to be whingeing, he’s had a splendid time. “I’ve been extremely well-paid and hardly ripped off at all.”
It’s just that nobody ever discusses retirement in music – “there’s no gold watch”. He is thinking about taking a sabbatical but is worried about his chops getting rusty. Should he be making way for the youngsters? Not for nothing is his new album called In Two Minds. “One of the worst records I’ve heard was by one of my favourite drummers, Max Roach, not long before he died, where you could see daylight between the bass player and drummer. I wish he hadn’t made it.”
He is not interested in the nostalgia circuit. “Even now Yes have an audience of 2,000 to 3,000 in at least 200 cities around the world, so they can keep mining that ad nauseam, but it is definitely ad nauseam.”
No call from Genesis for their just-completed pension-bolstering world tour? He laughs. “I did nine months with them in 1976 and I wasn’t very good at it.” Why not? “I feel I need some sort of emotional commitment to the music,” he says diplomatically. Still, he was paid a then-princely £500 a week.
He was much happier with the knotty machinations of King Crimson, an outfit led by the cerebral guitarist Robert Fripp. “The Redrecord [from 1974] was really good, but making it was like pulling teeth. I didn’t really appreciate the record we were making but Robert did. It’s way ahead of everyone else. Years later Kurt Cobain said he liked it, so sales went through the roof.”
But juggling jazz and rock became harder. “My interest in laying down a big beat ended with the last millennium. Happily jazz exists. Everyone hates ‘jazz’ but it’s the only word to describe a musician who wants to say something fresh and react to what others are doing around him.”
This is what Bruford will be up to at the Purcell Room when he plays with his regular improvising partner, the Dutch jazz pianist Michiel Borstlap. “There’s a kind of music that can only be arrived at through improvisation, a kind that you wouldn’t have dreamt of writing down. And that is really exciting.”
His other longstanding jazz project, Earthworks, is off the road. “It’s parked up, refuelling. The key is still in the car and I can drive it any time but I do think you do need a clear idea of what you’re doing when you play a concert.”
Ah, that uncertainty again. But the more we talk, the less retirement seems an option – just some downsizing. “Once I would fly to Tokyo for two nights’ work,” he says. “Not any more.”
So Bill Bruford won’t be expiring with his boots on, then. He smiles. “I’m not going to die in a hotel room. I’m too white, British, angst-ridden and middle-class for that.”
In Two Minds is released by Summerfold. Bruford-Borstlap play the Purcell Room, Southbank Centre, London SE1 (www.southbankcentre.co.uk; 0871 6632505) Saturday 24th November 2007

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Look out for his son's band. They are touring the UK and are one of the hardest gigging bands on the circuit. Second album out soon. The Infadels.
Phil, Sheffield, UK
Why does life and opinions always have to be one way "that works" and that's it. I love Bruford's work and the fact that he continues to move forward, change and evolve. I also love hearing YES today still playing their classic masterpieces live.
No one gets tired of hearing Mozart, Shubert or Stravinsky by Classical orchestras. Fortunately YES are still alive and well and can play great. Bruford did the right things in his career and has given me some great moments. Gawd bless him.
But often times youth, nostalgia, memories and a great classic song can be timeless, no matter how many new recordings you create. And IMO Brufird and YES made one of the most timeless and brilliant recording of this century in CLOSE TO THE EDGE. What ever Bill thinks, he will never out live that legacy. Play on Bruf
wendell, los angeles, california
Ned, music stagnates if you keep doing the same thing over and over again. What's drawn me to Bruford's work since I was a kid was that it was "never the same thing once." The past is a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there... what keeps Bill's work interesting is that he hasn't rested on his laurels like so much of the Prog crowd that he's turned his back on. Maybe you'd rather that, like the Moody Blues, Yes, ELP, or Genesis, he kept turning out the same predictable album with a comfortable regularity... but there's a lot of us who are thankful that he's gone where his muse has taken him, and moved forward with both feet instead of being tripped up--artistically or otherwise--having one foot in the past.
Paul, East Rutherford, USA/NJ
Why is it so many art rock fans can't deal with the fact that some musicians from that era don't fawn over the music like the fans do...?
An artist's first responsibility is to please him- or herself. The only way to accomplish this is to move forward and evolve. This is why people like Bill Bruford are still producing exciting and challenging new music, and others are on feeble reunion tours playing in casinos.
Bill Bruford is a gifted musician whose work has given many people thousands of hours of inexpensive entertainment. He owes no one any explanations or apologies for anything he says about his own music.
Matt, Hackettstown, New Jersey
Just saw a video of Bill on drummerworld.com .
He oozes creativity..... Ever expanding on the world of the modern percussion. He's way in front of the pack and is still leading and paving the way in how we think and play the drums....
blake lindberg, brooklyn, USA/New York
With respect I don't think anyone who hasn't tried to create music for at least a decade can appreciate how irritating it is when people talk up the work you did when you were 18 or 20 and practically ignore your new work. I loved Bill Bruford's work in Yes, but I think he outgrew them and the work he did since and does now is infinitely superior to anything Yes have ever done. I hope Bruford continues to produce music. It only seems to get better in my view.
Christopher Nollett, Lincoln, NE
Bruford pushed me toward and into jazz when I first heard the live recording "The Bruford Tapes", and my life and music career have been immeasurably influenced by that little push. In particular "Fainting in Coils" is a milestone for me.
Check out the timeline at www.billbruford.com and you will get some context for Bruford's attitude in the present article. There are some astonishing glimpses into the reality of what he's been through as a musician there.
Creative production is what moves the world forward, and improvisation in its many forms is at the heart of that. Wish I could have seen the show this weekend in London.
Bob, Grass Valley, CA
I find Bill Bruford's contribution to music fantastic and wonderful including everything from his days in Yes to his present day musical work. I have seen Mr. Bruford preform live on four occasions. Two times with King Crimson in 1982 in the Detroit area. Then with Patrick Moraz in the mid 80s (piano & drums performance) and then on the Yes Union tour (I attended both performances that passed through Detroit that year of the tour). Witnessing his drumming performances is perhaps the most unforgettable for me. I was amazed and impressed by Bruford's performances. I am so fortunate to have been able to witness and experienced his playing live.
For Ned of Ohio USA; It would seem to me that its up to Bill Bruford to decide for himself if he will retire or not. Also the same goes for what he wants to perform or create as a musician. It is up to him. Sometimes honesty is mistaken for arrogance. I don't get the impression that Mr. Bruford is arrogant. Ned, perhaps you are arrogant.
Allan Fredrickson, Teijo, Finland
It's high time Bill retired. Never has one man in the history of music been so embarrassed about his past; never has one musician had so few nice things to say about his early work (Yes) and never has one drummer been so arrogant about his place in the music history! Bill, history demands that you take your rightfull place in the evolution of prog rock and yet, for two decades now you demeaned the experience and made it sound as if you regretted being involved with it. Yes, your impovs with Borstlap are nice - but they ain't no progressive music. You became arrogant in your stance (for arrogance's sake). You are not as loved as you used to be!
Ned, Cleveland Heights, OH/USA
Fine article. Great to read about one of the finest drummers on the planet who still has something musically relevent to say & long may he do so.
'British old timers still punishing a hi-hat'....well there's the two in the bands you metioned for a start, Phil Collins with Genesis & Alan White with Yes. Nick Mason with Pink Floyd played at Live 8 of course. Then, assuming they still use him Guy Evans on drums with Van Der Graaf Generator, who were still touring in 2005 at least. What about Richard Coughlan of Caravan who I believe still do shows, plus Simon King with Hawkwind who also still tour, perhaps not with either of those gentlemen I don't know. The end is listless!!!
Nigel Tilbury, Copenhagen, Denmark