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A “distorted” Channel 4 documentary about Muslim extremism that enraged community leaders and resulted in a fruitless police investigation will now be the subject of an Ofcom inquiry. West Midlands Police made a formal complaint over a Channel 4 Dispatches film that participants and race crime prosecutors claim was edited in a misleading manner.
Undercover Mosque, broadcast in January, featured footage shot at a number of mosques, including one at which a preacher praised the Taleban for killing British soldiers. Channel 4 said that the programme revealed how a message of hatred and segregation was being spread by some Islamic preachers.
After investigating 56 hours of footage, West Midlands Police said that it had been advised by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute the broadcaster for stirring up racial hatred, but that selective editing had helped to create an impression of Muslim hatred.
Bethan David, the CPS reviewing lawyer, said: “The CPS has demonstrated that it will not hesitate to prosecute those responsible for criminal incitement, but in this case we have been dealing with a heavily edited television programme, apparently taking out of context aspects of speeches, which in their totality could never provide a realistic prospect of any convictions.”
Abu Usamah, a preacher at the Green Lane mosque in Birmingham, said he was shocked when he saw himself depicted. Mr Usamah was shown saying: “If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered, that is my freedom of speech, isn’t it?”
He later said that he was explaining an opinion featured in some books, and not one that he believed. Mr Usamah said that the mosque had a tradition of teaching a moderate version of Islam. “To try and demonise the efforts of these people by taking their comments out of context was shocking,” he said.
A senior imam filmed calling for the creation of a British Islamic state under Sharia also claimed that his comments were take out of context.
Roger Godsiff, a Birmingham Labour MP, called on the Director of Public Prosecutions to take action against “words that were racist and an incitement to murder”. When that investigation was abandoned, the police went on to examine the editing of the programme, resulting in a complaint to broadcasting watchdogs.
Channel 4 said it believed that Ofcom would exonerate the broadcaster. Kevin Sutcliffe, commissioning editor for Dispatches, said: “We believe the comments made in the film speak for themselves. Several speakers were clearly shown making abhorrent and extreme comments. This was a thorough and detailed one-hour documentary, made over nine months, which allowed these comments to be seen in a fuller context.”
Channel 4 was “fully aware of the sensitivities surrounding the subject matter, particularly its effect on community relations”.
Mr Sutcliffe added, however, that there was a “greater public interest in exposing what was being preached in the name of Islam in some main-stream British mosques”.
The Metropolitan Police said yesterday that it would investigate Britain under Attack, a Dispatches documentary broadcast on Monday that gave a platform to an Islamic activist who called on Muslims to arm themselves against nonbelievers.

War of words
Abu Usamah: “They will fight in the cause of Allah. I encourage all of you to be from among them, to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is approaching”
Dr Ijaz Mian: “You have to live like a state-within-a-state until you take over”
Abu Usamah: “Why give up your religion and your long legacy of Islam to please someone who is an enemy to you?”
Abu Usamah on Osama Bin Laden : “He’s better than a million George Bushes, he’s better than a thousand Tony Blairs, because he’s a Muslim”
Source: Channel 4 Dispatches
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A tolerance of free speech goes, as they say, with the territory when one has the privilege of residence in the UK. Those who question the right to freedom of speech might like to consider giving it up. It is that easy.
john, edinburgh,
WARS ARE STARTED WITH WORDS !!!
If anyone of any religion says,
Nonbelievers must be killed ! I feel that is a direct threat.
TREASON ETHNIC CLEANSING RASCISM
three words to think about maybe?
right back at you, leeds,
Dave Humphrey, Manchester,
its not just only words its the threat behind those words
and the lies pretending to be all for this country then
behind closed doors spewing out hate if you cant see whats
wrong with that then you shouldnt have even bothered posting
a message on here in the first place
steven, glasgow, united kingdom
What's the problem? It's called free speech and they are ONLY WORDS! This is a key feature of a FREE Society, allowing people to say what they think and then challenging those ideas. We need to hold on to these ideals and not promote the politics of fear. It's hard to see who is behaving more idiotically in this debate but when stupid things are being said the best practice is to counter them with robust debate. There is more than enough impetus toward closing down debate in this country. The main problem may be that our elites in particular have no real belief in freedom themselves.
Dave Humphrey, Manchester,
Muslims outraged? Surely not........It seems bizarre that when BNP are the subject of a BBC documentary the police try to prosecute them yet when Muslims are the subject the police attempt to prosecute the TV company. The law should be even handed, perhaps there's a political imperitive we're not aware of?
Doug Bates, St. Albans,
I say sorry to all the hundreds and thousands of brave men, woman and children, who died in both wars to keep this island a free place, only to let it turn into a free for all for terrorism,if these vile muslims were Nazis preaching death and destruction on our soil during world war two,do you think the British public and the authorities would let it carry on------NO THEY WOULD LOCKED UP AND TRIED FOR TREASON,this is a war to them, why won't this country wake up to that fact before more death and destruction hits our shores!!!!
D webster, march,
There is no need to consider "context" when the statements are so clear. But the authorities will bend over backwards to exonerate and appease Muslims, even at the cost of failing to uphold the law and alienating the rest of society. Their frenzied pursuit of the BNP chairman for remarks that were within the law provides a chilling indication of the authorities' partiality and ideological corruption.
Stuart, London,
the cps is a politically appointed body that will do anything it can to apease these muslim hate mongers. if this debacle proves one thing, it is that we need our police force to be free from political interference. then they will be able to tackle these muslims without one hand tied behind their back.
greg, ST hELENS,
The Channel 4 documentary was a totally fair portrayal about what the representatives of Islam in Europe and the UK really think and have a mind to achieve in the name of Allah and political Islam. If we do not confront this problem in the face of political policing, we won't have any freedom to worry about.
Charles Smyth, Belfast, Antrim
I note that there was no prosecution because there was not enough evidence of misleading editing. In other words, the documentary (compiled from 56 hours of film) condensed a great deal of information into one short hour. Rather like all documentaries have done since the birth of the genre. So... C4 did not commit a crime. Instead it illustrated some of the hate being spewed out from some of our mosques. Context is irrelevant in this case - the hatred was obvious.
L Kent, London,
Andrew,
And exactly where was the racism in the statement:
"Would the last Englishman turn off the lights on your way out?"
Why is it that any public discussion of this or any one of a number of other subjects is smothered by the now familiar cry of 'racist'? I have to say Andrew that more and more of us have stopped being intimidated this way.
H, London,
If I say something horrible and surround my statement with nice things - does that mean that my horrible statement was not meant?
Listen, they SAID the above statements and I don't care WHAT context they were said in, the words should never have left their lips.
People of the UK, start fighting back against the pc morons in the government and start demanding that this sort of evil HATE SPEECH be dealt with. Start with deportation of folks who refuse to live by YOUR law. Either they integrate or they leave.
Gooby, Warwickshire, UK
This was an enquiry by the police and not Bin Laden. Surely the police are not stupid or biased. The truth is that this program was heavily and misleadingly edited, designed to create controversy. I have been going to mosques all my life and have never heard any Imam telling people to go and hurt or attack our fellow countrymen no matter how they may feel about illegal British involvement in Iraq or Afghanistan. However, I will say that Muslim speakers need to understand they have a responsibility to be careful and sensible about what they say in public.
Zahid, High Wycombe, UK
There will be peace in our time. Where have we heard this quote. When will we learn our lessons? Where are our Winston Churchills, Franklin Roosvelts. Or in short, real leaders, that think outside the box. What kind of world, will we leave all mankind and our children. In all countries around this planet.
Are we so self centered, like our political figures. What will it take. Another World War, to force good leaders to step forward.
Evil will never be appeased. JFK, understood our duty, to stop aggression, around the world. Have the radical govt. of our world, defeated America, with firing a shot? To give up the fight
would only empower our enemies and defeat our allies.Truly these are the darkest days. Soon Iran will be leading these rouge nations, with necular power. Should we believe thier lies , as the world believed Hitler. Congress and the Senate should be ashamed. We would never have gained our independence from England, if these people , were in office in 1776.
Frederick Kellerhouse, Rochester, New York
Didn't watch the show but it is a war of words with our younger generation. Our governments refusal to work with mainstream groups such as the Muslim Council of Britain simply shows how skewed policy is.
The incident shows a massive disconnect between the CPS and the Police, resulting in our services integrity coming into question. What is required is perhaps a better understanding of the issues affecting different cultures and faith in the Police force so as to distinguish between passing comments vs a call to act unjustly, by anyone, anywhere.
Certainly we need to protect ourselves from those minor elements which are determined to harm us as an British community; but this should be done with a little more though than deciding which tv channel to watch at night.
Farrukh, Woking, UK
The police should spend more time on more important things than persuing an issue which is so funny they need to get over themsleves there in england and they go by british rules not by there own. I cant believe that our police would do such a childish thing its so funny.
Adam, Todmorden, England
Well being a Muslim I will state what my beliefs are on Islam, Islam is a peacful religion has been and will continue to be, people who feel threatened will always use an excuse to push what they want and often influence the naive around them by their views. The view of those expressed by the various members of the Islamic community are just that views. That is their interpretation of what they believe Islam is saying not the works of the Koran or Prophet Mohammed as stated in an earlier response. As a muslim its upto me to read and intepret what is being said in islam and not just to believe what I am being told - that is what Islam teaches but in practice it doesn;t happen.
'90% of the population happily get on with one another its the 10% which spoil it for the rest'
Do not judge every muslim or Islam based on the views of a few.
Habid, Rotherham, UK
if all these comments represent Brits then i am ashamed of living here. I have Muslim friends, neighbours, dr's, lawyers...all people i know very well, you can't judge everyone by the actions of a few, and by they way, it was the UK and USA who went into their countries and killed more innocent people than were ever killed in 9/ll and world war 2 combined! I am ashamed of Tony Blair and Bush, as a Jew, i have no resepect for the government of this country and will stand with my muslim friends over any of you who have commented on this blog so far.
sarah, Coventry,
I watched this documentary, while I do not condone the use of violence I did sense a strong element of cutting and pasting when it came to watching this documentary.
The underlying theme was not of journalistic independance but more opinionated projection of what the makers wished people to see. maybe channel 4 should run the whole 56 hours overnight. Then we'll be able to see for ourselves (if we really want) why the crown prosecution service themselves have said, ".....apparently taking out of context aspects of speeches, which in their totality could never provide a realistic prospect of any convictions.â
It was a shame Channel 4 could let something like that get through the net.
Sharia law being implemented, sounds akin to evangelists suggesting that the God's law should be implemented.....would they be inciting mob behaviour if they argued 'for an for an eye' (capital punishment to be put back on the statute books?
Musla, Coventry,
Z Hussain
The problem is that whether you like it or not, people are commiting crimes in the name of Islam. Therefore Islam is a problem, there isn't Buddhists or Jews commiting acts against the west. You can't deny that the thought of an extremist Bhuddist sounds like a joke.
I am not saying that all Muslims are bad, and I know that there are people that think that. You can't say that Islam has nothing to do with it either. It does.
Miles Williams, barry, uk
Folks Media is a powerful tool, and one must be fair in representing what is actually out there and not what the director or the studio wants to show. If that what has been said by the extremists then it should be shown in its entirety not the edited version. Let the viewers judge for themselves whats right and whats wrong. Dont jump to conclusions before having seen everything.
AA, Arden, US
Muslims upset over a TV show? Face? Bovvered?
Alan, LONDON,
It would be useful if channel four were to publish transcripts of the entire 56 hours of footage so the general public had the opportunity to see exactly what context the bile from the mouths of the mosque speakers ought to have been taken in. Only then can we decide whether these individuals belong in our society or not and once we agree we can do what is wiose regardless of the self-appointed liberal intelligentia's protestations.
David Scott, Farnborough,
Hey Ruhel!
Get used to being threatened with death for not cowtowing to your religion?
Don't think so!
A Thorn, London,
Islam is not a peaceful religion. Read the Koran.
Scott, Houston, Texas, USA
All programmes edit material, nothing new here - otherwise we would soon get bored listening to the boring bits in betweem The muslim outrage ( gosh, another incidence of muslim outrage to go alongside the cartoons, the Pope and SIR Salman Rushdie) is a tactic that is employed to divert attention from the real issues. The real issue is that these things were actually said - nobody denies that. The outrage is probably just because they were caught saying them!!!
By the way, Roger Godsiff's constituency is around 90% muslim - now do you really imagine he's NOT going to support the Islamic agenda??? lol
Cass, Stratford,
Apparantly some Muslims are outraged!!!! With whom, the people who preach this vitriol or those who have again exposed the facist cancer in their community? The police have again run from confronting then dealng with islamo fascism. The statements are clear, murder was preached against homosexuals and a recommedation to kill non believers was made, no question, no debate, hard fact. What kind of context do statements like that need? Well done C4 for showing some courage.
Steve, Swindon, UK
A fine example of the Muslim concept of taqiyya. I am quoting from the Faithfreedom.org website here.
"taqiyya . essentially means to lie for the sake of Islam. The intention is to deceive unbelievers about Islam, for the explicit purpose of assuaging doubts and concerns about Islam, and encouraging conversion. Taqiyya underlies the whole gamut of Muslim propaganda which is disseminated in the West, from the claim that Islam promotes equal rights for women, to the attempts at inflating the perceived number of Muslims. . . This is why Muslims can, without any apparent irony, claim that Islam is a "religion of peace", even when the testimony of both history and current events bellows the opposite. For most Muslims, the idea that an infidel could reject Islam because of a sincere concern for knowing the truth is absolutely inconceivable. Hence, the infidel must be lying when he or she present facts and arguments against Islam. . ."
Not enough space for it all but you get the idea.
ew, uk,
The views on this page are very funny and sad at the same time. When the Police wrongfully arrest Muslims in 'terror' raids you applaud them and then when they are released without charge you don't say anything and nor does the media. This time the same Police who are concerned about the protection of our country examine over 56 hours of footage of these so-called extremists they let them go and instead turn on the media that apparently 'exposed' them, now you say the Police are at fault. HELLO! truly amazing logic and sense of justice some people have. If they were to send these Imams to Guantanamo
who could stop them? Think about it, have you yourself analysed the footage??? I don't think so.
Wali, Bath,
If James of West Palm Beach who obviously knows nothing about Britain or about European history would care to consult an elementary grade history book he will see that we finished what we started in 1939 and wiped out Hitler and his kind.
Roger Tilbury, Worthing, England
I believe Americans can not keep on criticising us in Britain. They indeed do know little how things are in this country and seem to want to butt in and tell us how to run the country.
I believe Abu Usamah was originally an American, so you obviously have problems over there, too.
Deepan, London, U.K
I am astonished I really am. Someone makes derogatory, hate based statements and now the journalists that uncovered this shame are themselves being investigated.
I never thought I would come round to saying this, but this country is sliding down the toilet more and more as each day passes.
Luke, London, Berkshire
If those "muslim" imams did in fact says those things then they are not muslims. There is no "holy war"...those people who kill innocent lives in the name of Islam are the worst enemies of the religion.
Maher Sabalbal, London, Ontario, Canada
"Muslim outrage"? Now there's something you don't see every day.
Hada Nuff, Liverpool,
The world Muslim mood in general is a reflection of what America/Britain are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and soon to come Iran and Syria. So, one has to put this rage in this context especially when Muslims have a bond of brotherhood that goes beyond states and borders.
However, having said that, it is absolutely a NO NO to preach venomous beliefs in this day and age where we ALL could do with some gentle and peaceful preaching that includes ALL and show that our religion is one of peace.
Who is going to believe you when with one mouth you say Islam is a religion of peace and in the next breath you are spouting vengeful claptrap?
When I was in England studying in the seventies, no one knew I was a Muslim and everyone was my friend. Faith is a personal matter shown outwardly only through action.
Ahmed Asgher, Manama, Bahrain
If a Christian preacher stood up in Church or on a street corner and complained that Homosexuals were a problem - according to the Bible - then he would be immediately prosecuted but becasue a Muslim preacher (imam) does this then the Police do nothing.
If the BNP get up and say the same things that these preachers are saying they are prosecuted under the full weight of the law BUT when the "peaceful" Muslim preachers, whose hateful words are ALWAYS taken out of context, say these words then the establishment and multicultural agencies band together and prosecute the messenger - not the message.
If the Police have statements, on TV, from these preachers that are against the laws of OUR country - then they should prosecute however, they are afraid of the Muslim backlash. Perhaps their non- actions may cause a Christian or non-denominational backlash ?
D.Morris, Solihull, UK
james, west palm beach
Please remember that you have your own home-grown bombers. Remember Oklahoma?
JohnC, Warwick, UK
I have seen it said before and I repeat: would we have the freedoms that we offer to all who come here if we were to land in their country. The answer is no. Mr Blair was right. Come to britain and be british. Have respect for britain and it will respect you. If you feel you have to change the way this country is then you shouldn't be here. We cater for what we can see within, not for the insurgence of unexpected arrivals. And why are they arriving? To escape the countries that support their religious beliefs...so why leave? If your system is wrong then work to change it. Don't run away like cowards, stand and face it like men.
But, regardless of who does what to whom there is still no point to their aims. Why does everyone have to think that they should rule the world when the world actually rules them. We all pass on and leave everything behind. Nothing really changes. Britain learned a long time ago that trying to rule the world doesn't work. Please learn from our mistakes.
Mike, london,
Muslims outraged? What a surprise, it's so unlike them!
Phil, Birmingham, UK
Typical shabby channel 4 journalism.
Michael Watson II, Manchester, UK
Time the Police in the Midlands stopped swallowing so much 'Taquiya'; got off their respective backsides and actually did something to protect the population from these purveyors of hate. There are plenty of them living in that part of the country! Spend taxpayers hard-earned money, pursuing terrorists instead!
The Dispatches programme didn't actually reveal anything new - those same words (edited or not) have been spat out by these hideous creatures time and time again, and it's high time to stop denying the fact that those threats are chillingly real.
Phillip Anderton, Poole, England
The media distort and attack Christianity on a daily basis, why do you expect them to be any more balanced with Islam?
Bruce, London, UK
seems like everyone that has commented agrees.. hopefully someone in politics is listening... if someone in a position of influence or power praises bin laden etc they should be locked up very simple
n mosey, sheffield, yorkshire
It would be nice to see some Muslim outrage directed at the Shia/Sunni blood letting in Iraq or the murder of over 200,000 in darfur.
Ian, London, UK
Well, I read the comments of almost all of you. As a Muslim, I feel your anger is justified only because you have seen only extremists and those preaching the teaching of Islam in a wrong way. I ask you have you ever read Quran yourself? Have you ever gone through the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) yourself? I suggest go through them yourself and rely on what others say. As for as this program is concerned, i haven't seen it. But, the clerics might have uttered these words, these statements do not reflect the true image of Islam. These statements also uttered by clerics in Muslim countries like Pakistan, and if they say it on loud speaker they are even arrested.
Abdullah Soomro, Karachi, Pakistan
Why is no one listening? Moslems are allowing their mosques to be used for this vitriolic propaganda and so must be ostracised as well. The BNP was taken to Court for offering opinions about Moslems that are borne out by this investigation while in a private meeting so now appear to have been telling the truth. The people in the programme were caught actively advocating harm to Britain and this is treason if they are resident here. Free speech does not enter the discussion.
Radical Islamists have the potential to cause the West untold misery all because no action is being taken now which causes these vipers in our midst to think we are weal and therefore ready for the taking. The normal Moslems, thsoe who are openly against radicalism must join en masse that campaign to eradicate these fifth columnists
B J Deller, Marbella, Spain
In response to Maggie Millington statement, What exactly do you know about islam? I am a muslim myself and no where in the koran it is said or justified, killing of innocent people and cause unnecessary grief to others. Quoting out of context seems the most obvious of choice these days especially when it comes to Islam. You may follow a religion yourself but even if i ask you a simple question about your religion you will not be able to answer it as you have no knowledge of it. How can you contradict a religion where you know nothing about it? "Never judge a book by its cover" a very common term used in the western world and i commend you of adhering to it, you never judge a book by its cover but you judge it by looking at the person who is holding the book. I guess it is fair to say that George Bush ordered the killing of so many innocent muslims and as he was born in a christian family, so does it not make christianity a religion full of hate? think about it!
Bilal Ibn Saeed, London,
Russ: your analogy of the mum, chocolate and a screaming child was brilliant!
This is exactly how the police and judiciary in this country work - he who screams loudest (and especially if he screams 'Racist') will always be supported, simply because its less trouble to the authorities than trying to be fair!
Mike Bibby, St Albans, England -not EU
Clever that Muslims are always 'outraged' when their barbarism is exposed in the media. Where is this Muslim outrage when, living of the fat of Western lands, they blow us up, target civilians, mothers and babies, in the name of a belief they call peaceful even as it decapitates and murders unbelievers, whether on the battlefield or on the underground. Whether in the trenches or on a bus in the middle of London or Madrid or New York?
Mr Karsh's 'Islamic Imperialism' should be read by
everyone who cares about democracy, liberty, diversity.
Muslims deny that Islam is a warrior religion historically
conquering other lands for their booty and enslaving or annihilating the infidel wherever they find us. But when they come and live in our countries, enjoy our freedoms and explicitly warn us that they will impose their Sharia law and dominate us, they have no outrage,only praise. Suicide bombers are only one face of Islam. The more deadly is the majority aiming for gradual takeover.
Shelley, Chicago, ILL
In England today we outnumber the Muslims 50-1, there is no doubt in any intelligent persons mind that they are the minority.If we continue to allow unfair incitement against them by our main representatives (Tv and our Government) History will see us as the Villians. When you have (as shown on the news last night) documentary producers editing footage of a person giving an example of what you can't say and then saying thats what they are preaching it's the same as Quoting the daily mail as saying that "Channel 4 itself should be prosecuted for inciting racial hatred","the imams' speeches had been completely distorted" and that "they should indict the people at Channel 4".Not true as we all know that the Daily Mail will always leap towards the defence of the bigot and continue to perpetuate the myth that the white majority are the oppressed and not the aggressor. As Ken Livingstone said"For the Mail group the victims may change but the intolerance, hatred and fear pervade every issue"
Valiant Patrick Dickson, Bournemouth, Dorset
I go past the Green Lane masjid quite often and the people going in and coming out look quite normal, apart from the funny clothes of course. No horns or tails.
Of course, leaders like Abu Usamah are on the other hand dangerous cretins. We ought to find a Fanatics Island somewhere, where we could isolate all the nutters and let them fight it out.
With respect to James from Palm Beach, you let the religious fanatics take over your country and look what happened!
Frank Upton, Solihull,
Fortunately we are still a democracy, and people can make films they think need to be made, and people who don't like the film can complain, and we have a police force that investigates to find the truth.
My hope is that whoever is wrong is then made to face the music by being given the appropriate fine or jail sentence.
Tony, Woking,
Unfortunately james palm beach our current government have that " I have in my hand a piece of paper" mentality and have as this article shows passed mulitudes of laws that prohibit questions and opinions that do not agree with the party line however disconnected from reality the party line is..
john Graham, London , England
If the police and others maintain the programme was heavily edited, and that these comments were taken out of context, then it is only reasonable that the British public should be given access to the unedited versions. Perhaps then we will see who is telling the truth.
Norman Shannon, Par, Cornwall
The state is not seeking justice but tries to avoid clashes at the expense of the weaker side (those who don't want to be hassled and hope that it won't happen again).
It's the case of a mum telling the older child to give his chocolate to the younger one because the latter ate his own and is screaming for more. Why does she do it? Justice? Not at all. She just can't be bothered to put herself at the centre of it and educate the younger child. It makes the older child angry and encourages the younger one to use the same tactics again because it works.
Russ, London,
Î really cannot see how these comments' meaning could change under any context.
Manelis, Athens, Greece
it's disturbing to read some of the views that some Times readers hold - they really dislike, maybe even hate, Islam & Muslims - and in the current climate of global terrorism it serves as an ideal platform for them to vent these feelings.
The police are apparently institutionally racist and their handlings of Muslims is usually brutal, and sometimes near-fatal; if THEY think that channel 4 distorted the intended meanings - then they probably DID!
But for all those who love Islam/Muslim bashing - i wonder where it will get them; can they erase the religion, can they alter the beliefs of Muslims?
There are extremists muslims, and from what i read here there are extremist non-muslims, and when the situation is right they would probably both resort to violence.
A. Asgar, London, UK
I am a Muslim, and I am used to media distorting my faith to make my religion look bad. This is what media does. And I know that some fanatical Muslims dont help either. These nut cases also give Islam a very bad name. Some people who have no idea what my the Holy Koran says, they pick some verses out of context and present the faith as an evil ideology. There is old saying: 'Even the Devil can quote Scripture for his own ends'. I believe that anyone who competely reads the Koran would see that the holy book in no way encourages wanton violence. In fact, it discourages believers from acts of murder and violence. If some Muslims break its laws then this is their sin. You cannot blame a book for wrongs its adherent. Tony Blair and George Bush both read the holy Koran and they both spoke of it very highly. I hope people stop getting information about Islam and Muslims from mass media. It is best to simply talk to Muslims.
Z Hussain, Rochdale, UK
Contrast the reaction of the Police force and others to the documentary on the BNP a few years ago. If I recall correctly the CPS tried twice to prosecute Nick Griffin and another for saying that, 'Islam was a wicked religion'. Seems to pale compared to the alleged remarks above.
I can't recall there being calls to prosecute the programme makers for distorting matters by careful editing. In fact the programme makers had a highly placed 'mole' who may well have encouraged some of the lesser 'crimes' featured in that documentary. It is comforting to know that are authorities now help enforce sharia, via race relations legislation.
Stephen, Norwich,
Absolutely, there are limits to tolerance! Even if this video was edited by a mastermind, are the muslims and religious leaders in the mosque in this video entirely inculpable? Why are they being defended? Everyone would do well to read Irshad Manji's The Trouble with Islam Today.... The mosques and madressas are EXACTLY where the problems lie.
Jamie, Toronto, Canada
this is a utter joke no matter what edited it was all there still for everybody to see the people on that tape will be laughing there heads in my opinion
steven, glasgow, united kingdom
In what context is it justifiable to say that you want Britain to be under Sharia law? And it is now "right" of freedom of speech to call on people to be murdered! I cannot think of anything more appaling than living under Sharia law, the death penalty for anyone who converts from islam and the forced teaching of islam to everyone. Islam is getting away with so much and no one is even allowed to speak out against them.
It is not a religion of peace but one of violence, check out the koran.
Piers, London,
So if OFCOM turn round and exonerate channel 4 will the police then turn their attention to the fanatics that featured in the programme? I think not as everyone in power in this country are to PC an scared of upsetting anyone even when those people want to bring down the state!
Ric, London,
Perhaps Channel 4 should air the unedited version, then we can see if Abu Usamah (and, indeed, everyone else) was misquoted or whether he was indeed giving an opinion from a set of books.
Perhaps the Metropolitan Police are correct and it was edited with a cause to mislead. After all, it wouldn't be the first time a documentary was made in this way.
However, the words spoken (or preached) are unacceptable and I very much doubt there was much editing involved (I could be wrong).
We have a right to know if hatred is being preached in our country and I am all for documentary's that help uncover such insidious behaviour.
Stuart Bache, Birmingham,
I like the way people all assume this is politically motivated because it didn't fit their assumptions about what was preached. People seem to think because he was quoted saying those words it's clear cut. Well there's this technique which has been used before to suit a particular agenda and it's called 'editing'. Not very hard for things to be taken out of context. Of course, you guys don't like to let truth or evidence get in the way. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. For all you people spout on about 'Englishness', what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Ben, London,
Just a reply to the hate-filled bigoted ignorance of the above comments, the Police are not co-opted into supporting or acquiescing in extremist views, and they, unlike you, have seen all the hours of footage and have felt there was culpable selective editing. Fortunately the Police seem to have more integrity than Channel 4 who obviously clearly are pandering to the mouth-foaming rapacious hatred of Islam shown disturbingly more often.
Some facts:
1. There is a distinction, hopefully not too nuanced for Times readers, between the use of religion (and culture and other values and principles) for abusive, objectionable ends and the original purpose/ideology of those sources of values. Certainly there is a disjuncture, which has to be addressed by Muslims, between original Islamic values and how Islam is practised and taught. Btw, I suggest you chaps make some Muslim friends, go on, be brave..
2. Muslims are not going to go away; It is the fastest growing religion, get used to it.
Ruhel, London, UK
i have great concern at the profesionalism of the west midlands police force investigation.it seems to me they are more interested in appeasing certain members of a community and seeming to be politically correct,i saw the programme and the speeches made seemed to my eyes at least to be stirring up racial hatred.
chris, edinburgh,
I agree the government is itself racist (sadly towards its own people).
I am also fed up of every day reading or hearing about Muslim outrage. Can they not see past the Muslim community and see that the rest of us have gone behond outrage?
The future looks bleak indeed and its our kids and grandkids who will have to struggle to survive in this country after what our own have done to it.
Ibbo, Leeds, UK
channel 4 is guilty of making many such distorted programmes, the recent 'documentary' by tabloid journalist Richard littlejohn (entitled the war on Britains jew's) was even worse in its selective editing.
People should not be allowed to get away with this and must face some financial penalty.
Akram, London,
It's about time broadcasters were 'held to task' for what they often 'incite' via television and radio programmes. If they 'cut' footage in such a way as to use it to make their own 'point' then this is 'incitement'.
What's wrong with the truth - is it not good enough?
Tarni, London, UK
Unbelievable. How much longer can this appeasement nonsense go on? (Answer: right up until the Caliphate is successfully restored)
Ellen Morris, Leeds,
This "taken out of context" argument is wearing a bit thin these days. Context is irrelevant. I can be perfectly reasonable for 59 minutes, but if I call black people subhuman in the 60th minute, that's racism.
I am glad Ofcom is going to look at this. Even more people will become aware of the racist teachings of Muslim preachers like Abu Usamah and his cronies..
Andy Gill, London, UK
"Muslim outrage at... [insert event]"
Anything new there?
Joey, London,
i don't think know it all yanks and canadians.and exiled british
people should bother telling us how to run our country.keep your racist views to your selves.thanks
andrew, london, u.k.
I am an asian who believes that all religion are same.I dont agree with the muslim fanatics to substantiate their evil deeds. They have used their religion to support terriorisam and the large muslims condemn them in publice but do support them fully. Most non muslim asians feel the same but they dont highlight their views because it does not support their cause in competing to be treated like a human being.If the british government can prove these actions they should take the necessary action to prosecute and not avoid it politically.
Ram Patel, london, UK
I think the police should be investigated.The statements are proof in themselves.You cannot wiggle out of it.He did say and there are no contexts other than your run of the mill pure islamic hatred.
Stephen, Basingstoke,
The police should have spent the time and money they've spent hassling the reporter that infiltered these mosques on infiltrating the mosques themselves.
Paul Gooch, Nottingham, UK
The government yet again pursues its political ambitions ahead of the country's security. Contrast their almost frenzied and rabid pursuance of the BNP chairman and supporter over the undercover BBC report to their clear and deliberate attack to undermine C4, in support of some very radical Islamist preachers.
The difference is that the BBC has become the left wing organ for the government and C4 is an independent broadcaster who has bravely outed these Islamists. The government knows it has the vast majority of muslim votes and they wish to protect that vote seemingly at the cost of free speech and our security.
I agree with James that we Brits are on our own suicide mission trying to pacify an Islamist minority who neither like us or the way we live. Why are the English in particular so lemming like that they are willing to support Brown and the left even if they are leading us into danger?
Richard K, Helsingborg, Sweden
Well they would say that wouldn't they.
No matter how it was presented , the 'preacher ' did say those things ' he just doesn't like us knowing the constant bile they spew out in these Mosques,
It's all in the Koran & they spout Muhammads instructions, & it's called Islam.
I just hope plans for that big Mosque never gets permission, for saying this stuff to such a great number at the same time will sure as hell cause big problems.
Time for our government to see what is going on here & stop kidding themselves that trouble only comes from Extremists.
Maggie Millington, Brittany , France
The contrast between Usamah's "outrage" at how his words would have been "distorted" and his unmistakably hateful words would be comical... Well,I do not blame Usamah and the like-minded fanatics for lying.
However, the real inquiry needs to be made into this sham of a "police inquiry", its motives, the culpable people who irresponsibly exonerated avowed extremists with no argument whatsoever.
Michel, Marseille, France
I'm afraid you Brits are on a suicide mission. And for what cause? People usually kill themselves for passion, money or disease.
What do you expect to get out of this? The Muslims who matter and control things say specifically that they want you dead. Why are you arguing with them about what they mean by that?
The last time you tried this - in 1939 - it didn't work out too well. And those people were not living amongst you.
Wake up, folks. We in America like to believe that There Will Always Be An England, but it doesn't look that way right now.
james, west palm beach,
It seems that some people are afraid to face the truth - we have some very dangerous people living in our midst, who so happen to follow this 'peaceful' religion.
Malcolm Watson, Manchester, UK
all muslims in britain dont know how lucky they are to be free
I will always remember the words of enoch powel
cox, victoria, canada
Would the last Englishman turn off the lights on your way out?
Michael J., Vancouver, Canada