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Transcript: the calls made by Brand and Ross
It started as a dribble but became a torrent of outrage.
In the week after the now infamous episode of Russell Brand’s Radio 2 show was broadcast, the complaints to the BBC could be counted on one hand. But after the phone calls — in which Brand and his fellow BBC presenter Jonathan Ross deluged the answering machine of the veteran actor Andrew Sachs with four sexually explicit messages — were highlighted by a Sunday newspaper, the public response was immediate.
By Monday morning the complaints to the BBC stood at about 500. By the evening, it was up to 1,500. By yesterday afternoon that figure stood at 10,000, leading even the Prime Minister to condemn the corporation.
In picking on Sachs, beloved by the public for his performance as Manuel, the clueless Spanish waiter in Fawlty Towers, Brand and Ross touched a raw nerve. How was it acceptable, the public wanted to know, to barrack a 78-year-old man with sexually charged phone calls about his 23-year-old granddaughter?
The BBC has acknowledged that the programme, broadcast on October 18, was unacceptable. But it insists that it will take no action until an inquiry by Tim Davie, its director of audio and music, establishes exactly how the show was given the go-ahead.
BBC sources said that Mr Davie had been instructed to produce a report as quickly as possible. It will be presented a week tomorrow to the editorial standards committee of the BBC Trust, the corporation’s internal watchdog. Mr Davie said last night: “We’re going to have a full investigation and take the appropriate action.”
The trustees will then use that report to set down a framework within which Mark Thompson, the Director-General, must make a formal submission to a full meeting of the trust, to be held on November 20. The 12 members of the board, appointed by the Queen, will then determine what internal sanctions to impose. Yesterday none would comment. “This is far too sensitive,” one trustee told The Times.
“We’ve been told to say nothing.”
Ofcom, the broadcasting watchdog, said yesterday that it would also investigate the transmission of the programme. The regulator will want to know how the BBC’s compliance systems failed. After the recording of The Russell Brand Show, the programme’s producer, Nic Philps, 25, a vicar’s son, would have been expected to fill in a compliance form detailing whether it had any offensive content. If Mr Philps judged that it did, he would have had to explain how he justified offending listeners, as well as whether an announcement before transmission that it contained offensive material was necessary.
Both Mr Davie and Ofcom will want to know whether that form was completed correctly and, if it was, who from the more senior echelons of the BBC countersigned it, as is required.
What Mr Thompson will be praying is that it was not Lesley Douglas, the Controller of Radio 2 and 6 Music. An error by a relatively small-fry staff member can be explained away. If the top dog is involved, that is not so easy.
The maximum sanction that Ofcom can hand down is a fine of £250,000, but insiders at the watchdog suggested that any fine was likely to be much smaller, perhaps in the low tens of thousands. The Metropolitan Police confirmed that it had also received complaints about the comments.
For their part, Ross, who is paid £6 million a year, and Brand, who is said to receive more than £200,000, appear to be on fairly safe ground. Although they made the calls to Sachs’s answering machine, in which Ross exclaimed that Brand had “f***ed” the actor’s granddaughter, Georgina Baillie, they did not make the decision to broadcast the material, which was pre-recorded. Both Ross, 47, and Brand, 33, have issued personal apologies to Sachs and sent flowers. Neither would comment yesterday. Brand merely repeated “Hare Krishna” to journalists outside his home in North London.
Ms Baillie, a member of the Satanic Sluts Extreme, a dance troupe that promises “four of the sexiest depraved London jezebels” who perform “violent, horrific and sexy burlesque shows”, called last night for both men to be sacked. Talking about her grandfather, she said: “We’re very close and I can’t tell you how much it hurts to know they were so unkind to such a sweet person. They should at least pay for what they’ve done with their jobs.”
She admitted that she had slept with Brand three times in late 2006 and that she had not seen him since early this year. “My grandfather is really upset,” she told The Sun. “I will be speaking to him to ask whether we should complain to the police and we’ll be making the decision as a family.”
The main players
Georgina Baillie Sachs’s granddaughter, who has described Brand as a friend. An actress and model, she performs as part of a burlesque group called Satanic Sluts. She is “angry and upset” about the messages
Andrew Sachs Actor best known for playing Manuel in Fawlty Towers. Was “deeply upset” by the messages and saddened they were broadcast
Meg Poole Sachs’s agent, she complained to the BBC on his behalf
Max Clifford Publicist acting for Baillie, who said she is “upset because her grandad is very upset and she thinks the world of him”
Addison Creswell Ross’s agent, who negotiated his £18 million deal with the BBC
Mark Thompson The BBC Director-General, who takes ultimate responsibilty for the corporation’s output
Sir Michael Lyons Oversees the corporation’s activities as chairman of the BBC Trust. He will decide whether to hold a full-scale inquiry
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The messages left on Andrew Sach's answerphone were pre-recorded they did not have to be played but someone higher up than Brand and Ross agreed to let them air, that mistake is the producers to carry not Brands. He is a comedian and that is what the BBC were paying him to do, make ppl laugh.
Michelle, Auckland, New Zealand
I can't enjoy his work, now. He was really funny in movies. I just can't enjoy the man, now.
It was a cruel violation of trust.
The hallmark of surviving tragedy is compassion.
Where is Brand's compassion for Georgina?
I expected better from him.
Sunny, Philadelphia, PA
so what i thought it was really funny.. This was blown totally out of propotion. i thought it made great radio.. theses guys are comedians there ment to be funny.. get over it...
why go with someone with russels backround its obvious the type of guy he is... your stupid to think other wise.
becky, croydon, england
This is such a storm in a teacup - a complete distraction and just gives fuel to the rightwing BBC bashers. Brand has made a very dignified apology. Clearly they misbehaved and crossed the line but really this has turned into a bandwagon - a fuss about nothing. Leave them all alone!
Dave Rowntree, London, UK
are there not more important issues ?
so he slept with his grand daughter ?
tasteless but truthful then ?
get a grip, people are dying in zim , congo , iraq etc etc
guy, amsterdam, nl
What's the big deal? I've read the transcripts and it wasn't that bad. These guys are comedians and some days they are hysterically funny and some days not as much. Lighten up!
Joanne, Diest, Belgium
The BBC no longer has standards of any sort and the only reason people are apologising is because they are afraid of losing their jobs. That includes the DG. I don't expect any of them are really sorry at all.
David, Hamilton, New Zealand
The BBC should never have broadcast the recording, & it's right that Brand resigned. But now it turns out that Brand's allegation that he had slept with Sachs' daughter is factually accurate, according to this site & the Telegraph. The BBC should acknowledge this: it's now in the public domain.
John B, London, UK
Almost everything that is written here is an exhaggeration of the truth. I have not heard that Georgina has admitted to sleeping with Brand, nor the comment from Sach saying that Georgina feels guilty about putting her family through this. None of those comments are even issued on the BBC website.
Alice, Mancester, UK
This show should not have been aired with the insulting dialogue. What are the BBC coming too? No wonder the children think they can do or say anything without being reprimanded. Someone has got to take some responsibilty for this broadcast and assure everyone this will not happen again.
Carol Hyde, Penkridge Stafford, England
The BBC don't seem to understand why the complaints have been snowballing. I didn't hear the programme when it was broadcast but have complained. I feel justified as I no longer watch Ross because of his behaviour to guests in general and would like to be able to tune into BBC at the week-end again.
Sarah, Brighton, UK
Having admitted that what Ross/Brand alleged was true what exactly would Ms.Baillie complain to the police about?
Andy, Bristol, UK
Get real Dave Farmer!! Freedom of speech does not include the right to invade a persons space with obscene diatribes. I agree that we now live in a nanny state but many of the present regulations have been introduced for the benefit of those who are too stupid to recognise where the boundaries lie.
James Dee, NEWPORT, WALES
The retention of Freedom of Speech is paramount in an arguement such as this. Was what they said funny? Not really to me but I know it was to an awful lot more licence payers than the 18000 people who have made their belated complaints. Lets not bend our brains into daggers of prudishness.
Simon, London, UK
It is contemptible for the Prime Minister to pass the responsibility on to the BBC. It has shown itself incapable of governing itself and it is up to the government to clean it out.
Kevin Dunn, Perth, Australia
I'm simply amazed that Gordon Brown has time to comment about such a petty issue. Mr Bown, get back to sorting the mess you've got this country into and leave the celebrity gossip stirring to the likes of Max Clifford - who I believe is doing PR for Baillie.
Rich, Leeds,
Dave farmer - if you're going to push for freedom of speech then learn to spell. Also how far should freedom be allowed? Remember the trouble in Denmark when websites extolling paedophilia could not be legally closed down? there are certain limits. eg: Swatsikas are illegal in Germany.
David, London, UK
if any member of the public made a lewd and obscene phone call like that they would be arrested and charged.but it is comedy for ross and brand to do this?this just shows how low some presenters will go for ratings and listeners.
doug, aberdeen, aberdeenshire
Ive listened to the show and thought it was quite amusing
Harry, London, UK
I feel sorry for Mr Sachs and it is right that he should receive an appology. As for his granddaughter - she knew exactly what she was dealing with in Brand. Gordon should try and get us all out of the financial mess instead of involving himself - Let's move on there's bigger fish to fry.
alex, cardiff,
It is a slippery slope when the govenment intervines in BBC business, I am already of the belief that there are too many gagging orders in place preventing certain subjects reaching the airways as they would put this govenment especially in a bad light! Freedom of speach should not be challenged!
Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England