India Knight
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I was at a party on Wednesday night, talking to a writer friend who has impeccable feminist credentials. The subject of the BBC show The Apprentice inevitably came up. “I really like Katie,” she said. “Why on earth does everyone hate her so much?” She looked at me, genuinely puzzled. I looked back at her, with my mouth slightly open, amazed.
This is the woman – Katie Hopkins, not my friend – who, when reminded that on her CV she’d answered the question “Have you ever lied or cheated to get what you want?” with “Yes, to get someone else’s husband because I wanted him”, nodded enthusiastically and looked immensely pleased with herself.
Whether this was because she felt bringing her sex life into an interview was an ingenious and dazzling masterstroke – easy, tiger – or whether it was because she felt that nicking people’s husbands was a stupendous achievement, is not clear.
I strongly suspect that, like so many self-styled “bitches”, she was incredibly unpopular at school and is spending her adult life showing she can get one over on women who weren’t – which would make her transparently needy and faintly tragic, rather than brilliantly go-getting and ruthless, but which would explain a number of things about her, not least the fact that she broke up three marriages.
Oddly, Katie, who has two young children, is single. In her book that probably makes her too hot to handle. In anyone else’s it tells you quite a lot.
Either way, there’s no denying that Hopkins made brilliant television until her self-sacking last week. (For those of you who don’t know, she was offered a place in the final and asked by Alan Sugar whether she was genuine about wanting to work for him; there has always been a suspicion that Hopkins, who already has a £90,000-a-year job, hungered for fame and a showcase for her talents, rather than a job at Amstrad). It would, he explained – with more insistence than an equal opportunities lawyer might be entirely comfortable with – mean uprooting her family from Devon to Essex. Fine, she said.
But it wasn’t. Within a few minutes Katie had changed her mind. She explained that her childcare arrangements were not in place and excused herself from the competition. This was weird: surely if you go on a television programme that lasts 12 weeks and has the possibility of a job at the end of it, you sort the childcare first? But anyway, Katie was out, and although there was much whooping nationally it’s undeniable that, monstrous as she is, she did deserve her place in the final: nobody gets a job in business because they’re a lovely human being.
The problem with Katie is that she is immensely dislikeable for an almost infinite number of reasons. But she is also intelligent, articulate, quick, determined, outspoken, supremely confident and, above all, unafraid.
All of these things presumably endeared her to my feminist friend, and in isolation they are indeed impressive attributes. They are also why everybody has been talking about Katie for the past 11 weeks: women, in particular, felt they ought to be on her side but were mostly massively put off every time she flirted – gruesomely – with Sugar, got it on briefly with a chinless Hooray (a fellow contestant), derided the north and its inhabitants, mocked people who buy things from TV shopping channels, sneered at stay-at-home mothers, and was vile about the other contestants.
Her fascination also lay in her absolutely unreconstructed 1980s world view: lunch is for wimps, Sloanes roam the earth, turning up your collar is super-stylish, blue eyeshadow is sexy, never met a bloke I couldn’t have, glass ceiling here I come: I will smash you by pretending I’m a man, etc.
It was utterly cringe-making to watch, but it worked: she was offered a place in the final and would probably have won the whole show. And she’s the contestant people will be discussing long after the real Apprentice is announced. So in a way she’s a winner, but a winner most people despise.
And, of course, she’s a woman: the best woman for the job. That’s a pretty uncomfortable thought in 2007, because it would suggest that really employable women are unsisterly bitches who lie through their teeth, back-stab like a pro, and look like they’d always sleep with the boss if it even hinted at the possibility of advancement.
It’s not pretty, but it’s one way of getting ahead, and I think we all know at least one woman just like this – they seem to model themselves on heroines of 1980s bonkbusters, as if those fictions were in fact a mixture of reportage and lifestyle manual – and you’ve probably worked for one. I know I have (more than once), which is why the idea of sisterhood in the workplace is such an adorably deluded notion.
The truth is that most women are horrible to work for, in the opinion of most of the women I know who work in offices. Men aren’t bitches; women are. Men don’t stitch you up; women do.
It’s extremely depressing and it pains me to say it, but it happens to be true. Katie Hopkins worked that one out long ago and played it to her advantage by dismissing them all as irrelevant. She turned herself into the biggest bitch of all – impossible to out-bitch – and although you wonder whether she has any friends, there’s no denying it has worked for her on the professional front.
So what are we to make of her, apart from mincemeat? Tenacious, fearless heroine, or an embarrassment to her sex? A bit of both, I think. Everything about her story, from her clothes to her manner, is like entering a timewarp: she’s a depressing reminder that, in business, nice girls still finish last.
But I almost felt sorry for her last week – almost – when, in appropriately retro style, what put paid to her hopes (if she ever genuinely held them) of working for Sugar was her gender and the fact that she had young children, whom she clearly cared about enough not to want to uproot them for the sake of her career.
The other woman finalist, Kristina Grimes, made a great point of explaining that her child was now an adult, at university and out of her hair. In 2007, on a show watched by millions, the message is still that if women will be tiresome enough to want to reproduce, it’s going to scupper their chances of professional success. And that is even more depressing than the fact that women like Katie Hopkins exist.
india.knight@sunday-times.co.uk

India Knight was born in 1965. She lives in London with her three children, writes a weekly column for The Sunday Times, and a weblog, Isn't She Talking Yet?, on bringing up a child with special needs. She has also written two novels, My Life on a Plate and Don't You Want Me?
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I'm not sure that nice girls (or guys) do finish last. This 'truism' is simply used by the disfunctional to justify their unpleasant behaviour (and by people who prefer not to compete to justify their choices). The idea that any behaviour is justified in business by the chance of making a profit is decidedly old-fashioned, and may not actually make good business sense. Look at the collapse of Enron and Arthur Andersen - it is not neccesary to behave badly, and it is possible to compete while behaving well. All it takes is genuine ability.
Pauline Bird, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey
She was the most outstanding contestant ever to appear on the Apprentice. She won tasks at will and threw away tasks to suit her purpose. Watching her operate as a team leader was a privilege and an education. Thats how the really competent cleave through business problems. I hope she goes far. She deserves it, she's sold her soul for it a long time ago.
WL, london,
Mostly accurate I would say, except that having watched the entire series Katie really didn't show much of a talent for anything at all. She was poor at the TV-selling presentation, when in France she spent the whole time following her new military boyfriend like a puppy dog, She was a disaster of the highest order in negotiating the photographs. The only thing she managed to achieve was a £50 discount by fluttering her eyelashes at the shop-owner.
Probably she was unpopular at school (her former friends claim she was bullied). But she also seems to have a obsession with powerful men
The question about whether a family woman would move the two hundred odd miles to Brentwood uprooting kids etc for a mere £5000 after tax when she is on 90,000 is a perfectly reasonable one. I have had similar questions asked of me, and a question I have asked of men that have applied to work for me.
Finally, where did she dig up that 80s stye from? She was supposed to have been only 31?
ryan stephenson, Swindon, UK
Katie was neither fearless nor heroic (nor best woman for the job). She protested too much about her fearlessness. I suspect the opposite was true, given the desperate measures she was prepared to use whenever failure or exposure loomed. Her body language betrayed her - the dipped head and pantomime eye flirting and the more telling forlorn look and bright red cheeks whenever she's rumbled or blocked by someone with more power.
I've been a feminist since childhood and see nothing but disservice to women in Katie's manipulative approach. Kristina is a much better example of strength, personal responsibility, resilience and genuine self-belief plus honour, honesty and the courage to speak up truthfully rather than fall back on Machiavelian scheming and sex.
Kristina's personal choice to complete one important job to her satisfaction (raising another human being well into adulthood) before immersing herself in another one, speaks well of her in all of these aspects.
Caitlin McKiernan, Walthamstow, London, UK
I don't really understand why everyone appears to believe she's talented.
When a branding advertising task was being run she was noticeable by her reticence. When the advert they designed showed the client (Sir Alan) nothing about the product Katie still said she really liked it.
Being articulate and confident are the tools of a conman too. Which one is she I wonder?
Jim, Manchester, UK
It's not Katie's fault, whoever Katie is (I've never watched this tripe and never would); it's the fault of all of you. Why do you watch this meretricious rubbish? Are you the people I hear drivelling about Big Brother? Wondering how Victoria Beckham will get on in LA? Talking about the late Princess of Wales as though you'd known the woman? Has none of you a mind? So a woman can be a bitch? And a man can be a jackass? Why not forget them and focus on the great majority who aren't? Starve them of what Maggie T called the oxygen of publicity? It's what they want, you know. Or hadn't you noticed? (You may have to travel north of Watford Gap).
John Lynch, Whittington, Shropshire, England
She posed for sleazy sex pics for the media (oh what, those pix of her supposedly having sex naked in a field weren't posed, then?) to try to raise her post-contest profile. Bet her poor kids won't appreciate that sad attention seeking by their mother .
As regards her ra-ra Sloane accent , didn't anyone else notice how this slipped in her post-show interview, into a nice West Country burr?
The programme may not be "real life in any respect" but this is how she chose to market herself, presumably in preparation for her post Apprentice media assault. But then, Trinnie & Susannah, Vanessa Felz and Jodie Marsh already cover all the possible permutations so hopefully there wont be a vacancy for Katie
Jane, London, UK
I know not much about Katie Hopkins, but what I could gather from the write up ....though she may be holding the credentials in her CV of being a 'most dislikeable' person, there ain't much of bitchin' and spitting about it. She may be a self-styled feminist , with much of hoopla about her privy and sex life on an interview , but her outspokenness and assertive arrogance could be a defence mechanism for some hidden sadness and melancholy in her life. At times bitterness we expel may make others cringe and whine but to be a winner ,we got to do it. Why blame her et el. To do her job well, and stay on the top, she could be a toughie and not some sugar-tongued , cutie-pie stuff. So indeed she is a winner, and a winner is despised by most. It is a fallacy to compare career-bound women with homely housewives. They belong to different matrix with distinct preferences and choices.Let us not bracket such self-styled superbitches like Katie and her ilk, with other Jill,Jane and Juliets.
Sanjeev Dheer, New Delhi, India
Undoubtedly flawed, undoubtedly insecure - hugely over-compensating because of it, but clearly talented. The Apprentice is now left with two relative mediocities. We've lost the chance of seeing if the application of Sugar may have sweetened some of Katie's sharpness, and the drama is diminished. That's a sadness...
Phil Wilson, London, UK
im sorry but Katie turnrd me off with her attidtude towards anyone living north of the Watofrd Gap.
Who picked the candidates not view of them came from a working class background most had a bit of paper saying i've got a degree. How many ofthem have got the business brain that Sir Allan has not many i suspect.
imacompuerbuddie, isle of cumbrae, Scotland
Alan Sugar is no fool.
He knows that the people you tread upon on the way up are the ones you meet on the way down.
And a little matter of ethics. Business may be a harsh field but dishonesty never pays in any field. Marriage wrecking, adultery and child neglect are dishonest. Personal probity and business probity do tend to go hand in hand.
Her personal life is proof that she could not be trusted.
CA Metcalfe, Essex,
As ever, India Knight (and others) do not allow the fact that they do not know Katie to comment on her in every respect of her life. Katie was taking part in a television programme - this was not real life in any respect.
My interpretation of Katies 'bitchiness', was that it was often tongue in cheek and an amusing dry style. (There was a particular sequence in the car when she made an outrageous suggestion about another contestant , for the sake of her companion, and kept a deadpan face for a long time, but it was just cracking to show that this was humour as the camera left her.) However, that was my interpretation. No one should attempt to sepak with authority about Katie or anyone else they only know from a heavily edited 'reality show'.
Sincerely,
Patricia beer, Bournemouth, Hampshire
Running a business is not for the faint-hearted. Katie was by far the best candidate on The Apprentice. Yes, she is ruthless. But she doesn't pretend otherwise. Perhaps the reason she is the "most hated woman in Britain" is simple - we don't like to acknowledge what it really takes to succeed in business, especially when it comes from a woman. Whether we like it or not most successful entrepreneurs are not cuddly, lovable folk.
I would trust people like Michelle Mone (whose products, ironically, pander to women's insecurities) far less. Her touchy-feely approach comes across as very unconvincing.
As for Ms Mone telling Katie she wouldn't have a job in her organisation, big deal. I'm sure Katie will have much larger fish to fry.
Rob, Cambridge,
I do not see any difference between Katie and Jade Goodey. They both came on a TV show in which weekly evictions is a major feature. They both became (in)famous for use of their mouths. They both are unfortunate results of our education system. Jade's view of world is not very different from Katie. Katie's has some fascinating views about notherners, "Mrs Mavis" etc. The list goes on. Perhaps others could add more.
Now Channel 4 can invite Jade and Katie to be on Big Brother show.
Lalith Chandrakantha, Northampton, United Kingdom
Katie Hopkins is morally bankrupt and not worthy of any job which requires even a modicom of honesty and integrity. 'Stealing' other womens' husbands is quite reprehensible and proves my point unequivically.
I cannot never see her 'happily married with 2.4 children'. She is past the point of no return! In a decade's time, and again a decade later, when she is a ' single grandparent' she will look back and ask , ''Where did it all go wrong?''
And all because the woman had no common sense.
Schooling should teach girls to 'know their place'.
P. R. Jones, Nottinghamshire, UK
One may suspect that whats resented here is the willpower and self reliance that enables an independent view and more control of life events that most can achieve.
As such the competition may have become a learning event which might have included the self-discovery that what was offered was not in the event what was wanted.
Those who like to think they can control such individuals are of course disappointed.
dr venables preller, Warminster, UK
Katie was neither fearless nor heroic (nor best woman for the job). She protested too much about her fearlessness. I suspect the opposite was true, given the desperate measures she was prepared to use whenever failure or exposure loomed plus her body language betrayed her - the dipped head and pantomime eye flirting and the more telling forlorn look and bright red cheeks whenever she's rumbled or blocked by someone with more power.
I've been a feminist since childhood and see nothing but disservice to women in Katie's manipulative approach. Kristina is a much better example of strength, personal responsibility, resilience and genuine self-belief plus honour, honesty and the courage to speak up truthfully rather than fall back on Machiavelian scheming and sex. Kristina's personal choice to complete one important job to her satisfaction (raising another human being well into adulthood) before immersing herself in another one, speaks well of her in all of these aspects.
Caitlin McKiernan, Walthamstow, London, UK
The message 'that if women will be tiresome enough to want to reproduce, its going to scupper their chances of professional success' will always be true, both as employees and employers.
As a man in the media, I've always been happy working for, and with, women on a day to day basis, and as my freelance career progressed it has followed that of a number of dynamic women for whom I worked as they moved onwards and upwards. How depressing then, that two or three years ago I found all of these women had, at the same stage in life, and having achieved success in a man's world, decided to revert to type and become child bearing housewives, with no ambition to return to work (employing the likes of me) as long as there was a man well-paid enough to support her. Long may the glass ceiling remain in place.
j anthony, london,
Once again India Knight turns subjective experience into a declaration of objective truth. Well, backatcha, India: I have worked for women and men, and the women were all better bosses, not horrible or bitchy in the slightest, nicer to work for and better at their jobs. So there.
Oonagh, Hong Kong,
Oh, yawn! Confirms my fears that TV is bubble gum for the mind. Why give it column inches?
John MacKinnon, Lincoln, England
The best comment I have read on Katie Hopkins and her significance in the world. Katie is a complex animal. On the one hand: repulsive and outdated. On the other: successful. I think you captured her perfectly. Not that I am a Katie fan, but there is something else that no commentator has yet noted: she appeared to demonstrate intergity at the moment of truth. She could have gone on to the final. Beaten Christina. Won the Show. And then left. But she didn't.
Or perhaps it was all staged?
Gavin Benjamin, Bruxelles,
Uderstandably this article is based on the premise that Katie actually DID pas on the opportunity because of her family and children. To my mind, Katie's self-firing was surely almost certainly a set-up to make good television. As the article says. Katie is intelligent and ruthless - as well as being repulsive. She did not suddenly realise the problem of working for Sugar and withdraw. There was, I suspect, some sort of pay-off for her - and it wouldn't come as a great surprise to find her working directly or indirectly for Sugar at some time in the future.
Peter, Nice, France
Brilliant insight here.!!! Loved this and you are so right.I found this female absolutely toxic No matter how clever and good at business she may be it is hardly helpful if she was to drive mass resignations.Ghastly ghastly person.And morally bankrupt to boot.How could anyone trust her in their business ,knowing she would do anything to further her own ends.?
M McGregor, Tunbridge Wells, Kent
It's not just women. Any man who wants to see his family can expect to have to work for someone with less ability but has 'committment'.
David Cage, Highworth, UK