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Sir, In September of this year, my entry will celebrate 50 years since we marched up the hill to Britannia Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, smart in our brand new cadet uniforms. It falls to me and a colleague to compare the Fleet that we joined in 1958 with what remains in 2008.
Class of ship 1958 2008
Battleship 1 0
Aircraft carriers 10 3
Amphibious assault ships 0 3
Cruisers 16 0
Destroyers 55 8
Frigates 127 17
Minelayers 16 0
Minesweepers 243 16
Patrol boats 17 18
Survery ships 10 5
Support ships 89 16
Royal Yacht 1 0
Submarines 60 13
Total 645 99
Sic transit gloria mundi.
If the diminished Royal Navy yet manages to fulfil the great range of tasks demanded by the Government, among whom military experience is a very rare quality, then it can only be because of the dedication of the Jolly Tars, men and women, who remain as stalwart and loyal as ever.
Cdr R. W. Kent, RN (Retd)
Cheltenham, Glos
Sir, Commander R. W. Kent (letter, May 9 ) shows that the Fleet is less than one-sixth the size it was in 1958 and consists of only 99 surface ships, submarines and support vessels.
However, I am unable to find more than 70 surface ships, some of which are not operational and have already been decommissioned, and 13 submarines, meaning the Navy is in fact one-eighth the size it was in 1958.
There are three carriers, but only one is operational and the oldest two are decommissioned. There are only two amphibious assault ships, Albion and Bulwark. The 18 (unarmed) patrol boats, hardly count; there are apparently only three fishery protection vessels plus one OPV.
Regrettably, the Government appears determined to reduce the Navy yet further by decommissioning five more frigates and destroyers and two fleet submarines in the coming 12 months and an overall plan to dispense entirely with mine countermeasure vessels and patrol ships.
Lt Cdr Kenneth P. Armitage, RN (Ret’d)
Kesgrave Suffolk
Sir, I wonder which of the two battleships has been forgotten about in the 1958 table. Was it the still-commissioned HMS Victory or HMS Vanguard, anchored only a few cables away in the middle of Portsmouth Harbour? The one which last fired its guns in anger was Victory at the Battle of Trafalgar over 130 years before Vanguard was built.
H. J. bebbington
Grayshott, Hampshire
Sir, Commander Kent’s letter (May 9) shows that since 1958 the number of ships in the Royal Navy has fallen from 645 to 99. Will the MoD please provide corresponding statistics on the number of admirals?
John Deas
Alsager, Cheshire
Sir, Mr Deas asks how many admirals we employ (letter, May 10). According to the latest report from DASA, the official defence statistical agency, there are 40 admirals — three full, seven vice and 30 rear.
There are far fewer warships than admirals: around 20 submarines, frigates, destroyers and larger vessels are in commission, typically commanded by officers three ranks below the least of these potentates.
Do we need so top-heavy an organisation to direct so few resources? Do we indeed need a separate naval service at all?
Noel Falconer
Luc-sur-Aude, France
Sir, It’s not the number of admirals but the number of civil servants that saps resources.
Gordon Freeman
Ballycastle, Co Antrim
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The Iraq comparison is dubious. The current RN does not possess the profound qualitative advantages over equivalent world navies that the coalition land forces had over Iraq.
Chris Werb, Dounby, Orkney, UK
Dear Mr Cage , Wiltshire. I would not equate Brtiain's seamen with politicians and civil servants, they, British sailors, are of far higher quality. My question was one of technology e.g. how would, say, a WWII British warship fare against a modern warhip in terms of firepower, distance and speed.
Jack, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
This government would rather spend the money on social engineering rather than marine engineering.
C.Wood, Camberley, UK
With the comparison of the number of ships in 1958 and 2008, I'm reminded of the comparisons made between Iraqi military forces and coalition forces before GW1, but it wasn't numbers that were important but capability. Iraqi had numbers but little capability and were routed.
Charles, Cork, Ireland
So with the logic of Jack from Perth we increase the civil service and politicians who have failed to do an adequate job in the hope of improvement and reduce the resources of the navy because they manage with what they are given. Perhaps that is why we are doing so badly in the world now.
D Cage, Highworth, Wilts
In 1958, C. Northcote Parkinson Esq published the result of his yearsof research including: "irrespective of any variation in the amount of work (if any) to be done" staff will increase at an annual rate of between 5.17 and 6.56%.
His research is still valid, but in practice , woefully ignored.
John Price, Cintegabelle, France
The point is can and do the current 99 ships ships of the Royal Navy do a better job than the previous 645. Time and again the British fighting men with the machines have outwitted and out fought their opponents.
Jack, Perth, Western Australia, Australia