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I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing this,” says Michael Stipe in mid-stride, as he hurries through Chinatown. He’s actually quite fetching, in wraparound shades, tight corduroy trousers and a V-neck T-shirt with a safety pin, but his point is not so much about the clothes as about their suitability for a gentleman of his years. He was caught in a downpour earlier in the day, so his own carefully chosen outfit, now soaked, is rolled up in a plastic bag swinging at his side while he wears borrowed clothes.
Stipe has been the front man of REM for 27 years, and they’re still going strong, days away from making their 14th album. He is so enthusiastic and energetic on this stormy, monsoon-like day, as we navigate downtown New York, I have to ask him to slow down. But then, Stipe never stands still. Something of a renaissance man, he has produced films – including Being John Malkovich and Velvet Goldmine – published a photography collection, used his fame for social and political causes and been a mentor to talents as varied as Thom Yorke and Courtney Love, and now, at 47, he’s a shirtless model for Marc Jacobs. “I don’t ever want to repeat myself,” he says. “I’d rather fall on my face publicly with a really bad song than crank out something mediocre or vaguely reminiscent of Losing My Religion or Everybody Hurts. F*** that. Great songs – already did it. Let’s move on.”
Last night, he was at the Marc Jacobs fashion show. He came with Heath Ledger and was sitting with Vincent Gallo and Juergen Teller, the photographer.
Shooting Stipe for the ad campaign is a clever piece of casting. When REM’s first album, Murmur, came out in 1983, the band more or less invented alternative rock, as well as the fashion that went with it, thrift-store chic – which is, of course, what Jacobs does best, in a high-fashion kind of way.
Stipe stops in his tracks and turns around to stare at a pigeon, telling me that, when the weather is weird, he takes his cues from wildlife. He keeps walking fast, occasionally checking his BlackBerry, until we have gone through Chinatown and into SoHo, where he stops at a framing shop to ask a smoking proprietor about the paintings in the window. He lights his own cigarette before setting off again, then says: “Smoking and walking, gross,” but does it anyway.
Finally, we arrive at a cafe, where he buys me a mango lassi. His wallet is a plastic envelope torn in half, which contains his keys, a digital camera, money and tobacco. He says he tells people that it’s a new accessory. I say the fashion-model thing must be getting to him, and he laughs. In the campaign, he’s shirtless, in a pair of electric-blue corduroy trousers, looking annoyingly slim. “How about that? In my own bathroom!”
Stipe once said: “Critics hate me because I have a six-pack”, and when I remind him of that, he laughs out loud again. “It’s more like an eight-pack now. Did I really say that? That’s pretty good. The thing I dislike is when people are mean-spirited. I just think there’s enough shit in the universe. And snarkiness and vulgarity. Maybe I’m a pretentious f***, but I want to elevate. I want to raise. I want to be inspired. I want to live in a place that feels inspiring to me.”
Later next month, the band are planning on recording in London, where they love the artistic energy and have done ever since they played the Marquee back in 1983. There, they will wrap up that next album. “I can’t wait,” he enthuses. They’ve taken a new approach, doing live rehearsals in Dublin over the summer. “We had tickets so people could come and watch us rehearse. It was really nice to play stuff that nobody’s ever heard, and in some cases the songs were only half-written. Then we could go straight into the studio with that material – it’s very effective.”
Age, it seems, cannot wither the band. A few years ago, Stipe took some flak for comparing himself to Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, neither of whom is vilified for doing what he does, at more or less the same age. “The point is about ageing with grace,” he says. “My gripe was simply a comparison: why, in that medium [film], are they exonerated from the same criticism that I’m getting in my medium [music]?”
I mention that I saw Sean Penn a few days earlier, who is exactly the same age as Stipe. Between the two of them, being a 47-year-old smoker never looked more glamorous. “He has all his hair,” says Stipe. “I feel there’s a grace in accepting one’s age and being okay with it, and not trying to be something you’re not. I find that vulgar.”
It should be pointed out that Stipe shaved his head about a decade before everyone else did. “Douglas Coupland once said, if you want to be remembered a hundred years from now, create a hairstyle. It was after River [Phoenix, Stipe’s friend] died [in 1993]. Public figures were not doing that at the time – they were pretending they had hair.”
It happens to be Tuesday September 11, and we’re in downtown Manhattan. I mention Stipe’s quote of three years ago, when he spoke of “the great quiet” after 9/11 and “the period of great personal activism” that followed it. He has been constantly active with benefits and charities, especially in his home town of Athens, Georgia, and, more recently, in the rebuilding of New Orleans. At a certain point, with people such as Stipe, and Penn for that matter, you have to recognise that they mean it – they couldn’t keep it up quite this long just for the publicity. They are the committed ones.
“I think I can speak for Sean, and certainly for my band and myself, when I say there is a commitment behind the action that’s not attached to wanting a headline or having your photograph taken. I think injustice is the one thing that is more of an irritant to me than anything,” he says quietly and earnestly.
Earlier, at the Style photo shoot, Stipe had asked that the INXS song Not Enough Time be played, over and over again, until everyone in the room was swaying to Michael Hutchence’s hopeful lyrics.
Is that what makes you the angriest, injustice? “Yes, I’m the angriest pacifist in the world.”
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Rem as a band is great in every sense. But i am really disappointed with michael stipe as i've met him in person a couple of times. I find him arrogant, egotistic and distant, he just seems to want to be with his celebrity friends. It's a shame to see how fame and fortune can change people in this way.
carmen, london, uk
I agree with Dean Garrett, REM did not invent a look or alternative music, in fact from where I was standing they represented a move to the mainstream. I came from a Punk background and thought Talking Heads, Gang of Four or the other band from Athens, Georgia, the B52's as alternative. When I started to listen to REM, sometime around 1983, I retrospectively bought Chronic Town which I still own, I found them tuneful and relaxing, a far cry from the 100MPH Skateboard derived Punk I had been listening to which had coincidentally sported "thrift store fashion" and âshaven headsâ for years before. The first four albums in my opinion were average but the next four, Document, Green, out of Time and Automatic for the People were probably the albums that most fans will remember and that will be ostensibly for the ballads. I've moved on now and that is something that Michael would surely advocate as he constantly moves, shouldnât we? It's the paradox of every band.
mark Gregory, worthing, west sussex
I have to agree with Robert Holten. Stipe has become extremely full of himself. All this guy does is talk about himself. A very inflated sense of self-importance. Too bad because he used to be a really cool guy. Oh well.
Bob A., Detroit, USA/MI.
I agree with Robert that he can be very pretentious and self-righteous. It is hard for these guys to keep grounded however when one has 50 000 people screaming for them at a show. I totally disagree that Monster was the end. 'Up' is one of my favourite albums of all time. He is right - it would be great if the next album stands up to all the hype. I do not think if it doesn't they would be over. Sometimes great bands make mediocre albums.
Owen, Dallas, Texas
I love REM and Stipe, but they did not start the "alternative" trend of the 80s unless you define "alternative" in some uncommonly narrow way. Despite their great sound, REM was a latecomer to a Byrds-influenced, jangly pop revival that had been going on since the late 70s. And many creative people had been wearing thrift shop clothes for years, often in more influential ways than Stipe and REM did. Similarly, Stipe was not an early-comer to the shaven head fashion. That was a strong trend, popular with both sexes, that predated Stipe by several years. It seems like fashion/pop culture writers just make up things, often following their peers, without looking into the subjects they're writing about. I remember Angela Davis once complaining about how fashion journalists in the 90s had people believing that she had originated the Afro back in the 60s, when she was just participating in a style that was already popular. Why do fashion journalists just make up things?
Dean Garrett, Austin, TX
Nice interview ...... a nice peek into a day in the life and very real which I like. Having seen the band live many many times and having met the man himself this interview is him thinking out loud - rambling as he does on stage. Of course he can be precieved as pretentious - can't anyone with strong opinions and courage enough to voice them. I believe from the earliest interview to recent ones he has stayed more true to himself than any other giant of the rock world. As for Mr. Horton .... having a bad day? Honestly state an opinion but no need to be nasty! I have been a fan since 1989 or thereabouts and have a lot of respect for Michael and the rest of the band - past members, present members and the team that works with them to not just make music but use their position quite rightly to push causes they believe in into the spotlight. As for his image - pretty cool! As for his talent - from Dublin show I was lucky enough to see there is no question about that! Thanks REM :-)
Maureen, London, UK
I agree with Mr. Horton. I've been following REM since '85, and Stipe has become a pretentious, self-absorbed, self-rightious
joke. I mean, what a inflated sense of self-importance. He is totally different than the incredibly awesome artist he was when the band was in their early years. I know people change, but he has changed for the worst. He lost his credibility .
Bob A., Detroit, USA/MI.
Wow, some pretty snippy comments.My Mother always said if you don't have something nice to say...Sometimes it must suck to be famous. God knows, I've been an annoying fan myself at times.Sorry Michael and thanks for putting up with us.
Anyway ,I remain a loyal REM fan AND Minus 5, Tuatara, Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 etc!
Thank You for over 25 years of my favorite music.
MLK, Brooklyn, NY
Mary Lou Kylis, Brooklyn, NY
Stipe rocks and rules, he's a great inspiration and a genuine talent,..as is Berry, Buck and Mills. Thanks guys, for all the great music and making my life more pleasant when things aren't so pleasant.
Stan Taylor, Clarksville, Tennessee
Oh, but Mr. Horton, have you ever seen him live? He may be all you say but he's just amazing on stage and deserves to be as pretentious as he likes!
Jackie Curbishley, Malaga,, Spain
Been there, done that? Yeah, right Michael. Long live The Minus Five. And Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 for that matter. The new REM elpee had better rock, or it's over, gentlemen. London or bust?
NBDYUNO, ATHENSANDOVER, THE U. M.F'kn. S. A.
Mr Stipe is a truly great man whom along with other members of R.E.M. and their backroom staff do an awful lot for causes around the world. Always been true to themselves and made terrific music. Long may they continue.
Rob, UK,
I just wish he's give up smoking - then he's be the really 'okay' guy.
Wendy, wherever, who cares
He's right: he IS a "pretentious f***" -- even by the standards of rock stars, an awesomely self-obsessed, tediously self-righteous human being, who routinely ascribes any criticism to jealousy or pretty mean-spiritedness, and is capable of sucking the air from any social gaathering. And I speak as an R.E.M. fan (albeit one who believes that, after Monster, and the departure of Bill Berry, they should have broken up, as they always said they would if one member left), and as someone who has met him in person. Much to my sorrow, incidentally, since his/their music meant a lot to me, once.
But the image, here, of Stipe sauntering through Downtown "checking his Blackberry", while trying to preserve his hipster cool ("taking his cue from wildlife" ... whoa, craaazy!), pretty much encapsulates everything that's gone wrong with an allegedy once-sweet, formerly shy and, for a time, freakishly talented boy from Athens, GA.
Robert Horton, London,
Thanks for this article. I have a lot of respect for Michael Stipe as a songwriter, singer, performer, activist, and especially for always being the unique individual that he is. Much respect!! I'm inspired by him in many ways. It's touching to know that he cares about people and that it's REAL and not just for publicity! He's always in the public and he uses this advantage to speak out and raise awareness about a lot of ongoing issues of concern here in the U.S. and around the world. I admit that over the years I've learned a lot just from keeping up with some of the projects he's been involved with or the ones he's supported for a long time. His fire has never gone out!!! Also, I truly appreciate R.E.M. for their excellent example of musicianship! Their music is always in a class by itself and it means a lot to me and their millions of fans all over the world. They've given us all such a brilliant and diverse selection of music throughout the years! ((( LONG LIVE R.E.M. )))
Bunnia, Durham, NC
I'm touched he mentioned River, I'm sure he misses his friend. Many of us do.
Lex, Bucharest,