Wow, they really force feed the 9/11 conspiracy theory over in Europe, don't they? For as many of you who think that we Americans should, "think for ourselves", maybe you should take your own advice. You all spit the same 9/11 conspiracy/anti-Bush rhetoric, so don't think that you're any less brainwashed by your own media than we are. Many Americans do not love Bush any more than you do, but the fact of the matter is that we're stuck with him for another 9 months and then there'll be another American president for you all to despise. And maybe we're not so keen on accepting that there are any other possiblities for 9/11 outside of Al Queda's responsibility bc it was such a horrific act ,and so many loved ones were lost, that its incomprehensible for us to think of it as an inside job.
Nobody force-fed a 9/11 theory to me, oh except the official conspiracy theory. The horror of 9/11 should drive you to think critically about it not make it"incomprehensible" to think about alternatives
Chris Dunning, Alexandria, Virginia, USA
TO: Nor Meyer, Mt. Vernon, Iowa; Liz, W. Palm Beach, FL; Kowboi, St. Louis, MO; and any other Americans who are calling for others in the US to boycott Marion Cotillard's films in the future because they don't like her presumed remarks about 9/11:
Please contact me immediately if you can prove you:
1: Have actually seen La VIE EN ROSE;
2. Have actually seen ANY OTHER of Mlle. Cotillard's 40+ films;
3. Are fluent in Parisian French;
4. Have actually seen the French TV interview filmed OVER A YEAR AGO;
5. Will attest that you never listen to Rush Limbaugh or any other rightwing Republican "talkshow" propagandist. so you can get your "talking points" for the day's slander campaign.
I'll pay you $100.
People outside the US, this is a rightwing political campaign against Mille. Cotillard because she is French, and because they CAN. Believe me, they will NEVER get a boycott started. Their campaign is already over. This is their fun. We see it all the time in America.
kitvc, Houston, TX/USA
All the press in America the morning after the Oscars revolved around the fact that ALL of the acting awards had been awarded to "Europeans." Go back in time (the internet let's us do this speedily enough) and read how the American media analysed the victors.
This attempt to discredit Ms. Cotillard as an artist is certainly connected to the American media's disappointment at the shut out of American actors for the major acting prizes.
Someone found Cotillard's wacky responses, took them out of context, used the fact that Americans and so many other countries dislike the French and routinely make fun of them, and voila, we have a scandal brewing on our hands.
Well, five years ago if anyone had argued that Iraq really didn't have WMDs or ties to AlQaida people would have lambasted you as "Un-American" and "pro-terrorist." And look at what we have allowed America to do: THEY DESTROYED A COUNTRY AND NOW GET TO REBUILD IT FOR A LARGE WONDERFUL PROFIT AND BOOST TO ITS OWN ECONOMY.
FORRESTER, Ottawa, Canada
I'd just like to say thanks to the Times for allowing a debate about Marion's comments. The Daily Mail only allowed comments says "Is she stupid or something?" when the fact of the matter is there are many, many discrepancies in the official story which was created one the day, even during the 9/11 attacks! and has never been seriously investigated in anything approaching openness. Without it then you are going to get conspiracy theories. We can't even agree on basic facts:
Where was Dick Cheney? Simple?- no.
Airline passenger lists... no.
Blackbox data investigated - no.
Timelines of fighter intercepts - no.
The interviews with other terrorists (extracted by torture) - no (illegally destroyed).
How about the 3 skyscrapers collapse? (Nope unexplained). Molten steel at the base of WTC 1,2 and 7? Disputed.
Barabara Olsen phone call? Never happened according to FBI.
The relatives of the victims of 9/11 are calling for a new investigation. Don't you think we ought to listen
Andy, Surrey, UK
I thought it is supposed to be the land of the free, so whatever happened to freedom of expression. She should be able to say what she pleases, as we all do, regardless of whether she is a celebrity or not! Why don't we all be mature and view an actress for her work whatever her personal opinions may be.
Mona, Peckham, U.K.
Quote:
"I talked three times to Marion overnight. This is worrying her. She is still in shock and does not really know how to react. She doesn't have to apologise for a badly presented and badly interpreted reportage."
My advice: Do NOT back down, Marion! :-)
Two words: Dixie Chicks.
Remembers the exact same artificially created, pumped-up, so-called "wave of outrage" over Natalie Maines' remark back in '03?
Look where they are now and where Bush is now in terms of popularity.
Were they right? Seems like a majority of the American people would agree now. Is Marion right? The verdict has not been spoken, yet, but more and more revelations are pointing to the serious possibility that she is. Sometimes things just take an awful lot of time.
In fact she's in some pretty darn good company:
patriotsquestion911 . com
911blogger . com
Dan, Regensdorf ZH, Switzerland (US expat)
Remember when Barbra Streisand and Alec "i'll verbally abuse my daughter if I want to" Baldwin said they would leave the country if Bush was elected? Funny, but they decided to stay here.
Why? First, they don't have the courage of their convictions. Secondly, the economic motive was too great - for them, as for others, the U.S. is the place where they can make the biggest payday.
Same principle holds with Cotillard. Now she's backpedaling as fast as she can, saying that she didn't really mean what she said, or that it's been misinterpreted blah blah blah, because she has realized - d'oh! - that utterings as offensive as hers could hit her where it counts, in the wallet.
Sure, she's free to make uninformed idiotic comments that place her squarely in the black-helicopter crowd. And those who are offended by her comments are free to react any way they'd like, up to and including not inviting her to participate in multimillion Hollywood film productions.
Free speech and the free market!
bob balaban, Los Angeles, california
I've lived near DC all of my life. One thing you get used to after living here is the recurring themes of the local news stories. Here's one that I read about almost every year:
-Random idiot accidentaly flies over Washington D.C. airspace in a small single or double engine airplane.
-Forementioned idiot is immediately tailed by multiple F-16 aircraft within minutes, and is escorted out of Washington D.C. airspace.
-Incident is mentioned on page 16 of the Post, and the locals **yawn**
And yet, a whole HOUR after two commercial aircraft strikes the WTC towers in NYC, a 757 somehow flies into the Pentagon?
Jay, Anne Arundel County , Maryland USA
Personally I think the best way to encourage freedom of speech is to tiptoe around all of the emotive issues. Don't you?
Adrian Farwell, Bournemouth, UK
"Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts by David Dunbar and Brad Reagan, two editors of the magazine Popular Mechanics" - Well that explains it then... NO IT DOESN'T! You cannot have apologists for the Official Story debunking. They own explanations are completely debunked by other authors (eg "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by David Giffin)! Selective explanations of some of the anomalies of 9/11 does not answer all the questions.
The relatives of the victims of 9/11 want a new enquiry. Are you telling them to "shut up" too?
Andy, Surrey, UK
It was the French that first pointed out the impossibility of a plane the size of a 757 making only a 16 foot hole in the Pentagon and then disappearing -- no tail fin, no motors, no seats, no baggage, no passengers, etc.
Maybe they know more than you think they do.
Rowland , Orleans, MA
The media is attempting to smear Cotillard as an anti-American French nutcase by making out that doubting the official 9/11 story is some kind of poisoned chalice and tantamount to holocaust denial. The fact is that the 9/11 cover-up is so out in the open that most people with two brain cells to rub together know it's a con.
Cotillard is not going off on a mad tangent and endangering her career, she is merely saying what the majority of other people think.
P.P, NY, USA
Speaking as a person who lives in Chicago, she should leave, she is not welcome here.
She is certainly entitled to her opinion and we are entitled not to like it.
mike, chicago, il.
Wow, they really force feed the 9/11 conspiracy theory over in Europe, don't they? For as many of you who think that we Americans should, "think for ourselves", maybe you should take your own advice. You all spit the same 9/11 conspiracy/anti-Bush rhetoric, so don't think that you're any less brainwashed by your own media than we are. Many Americans do not love Bush any more than you do, but the fact of the matter is that we're stuck with him for another 9 months and then there'll be another American president for you all to despise. And maybe we're not so keen on accepting that there are any other possiblities for 9/11 outside of Al Queda's responsibility bc it was such a horrific act ,and so many loved ones were lost, that its incomprehensible for us to think of it as an inside job.
Nobody force-fed a 9/11 theory to me, oh except the official conspiracy theory. The horror of 9/11 should drive you to think critically about it not make it"incomprehensible" to think about alternatives
Chris Dunning, Alexandria, Virginia, USA
TO: Nor Meyer, Mt. Vernon, Iowa; Liz, W. Palm Beach, FL; Kowboi, St. Louis, MO; and any other Americans who are calling for others in the US to boycott Marion Cotillard's films in the future because they don't like her presumed remarks about 9/11:
Please contact me immediately if you can prove you:
1: Have actually seen La VIE EN ROSE;
2. Have actually seen ANY OTHER of Mlle. Cotillard's 40+ films;
3. Are fluent in Parisian French;
4. Have actually seen the French TV interview filmed OVER A YEAR AGO;
5. Will attest that you never listen to Rush Limbaugh or any other rightwing Republican "talkshow" propagandist. so you can get your "talking points" for the day's slander campaign.
I'll pay you $100.
People outside the US, this is a rightwing political campaign against Mille. Cotillard because she is French, and because they CAN. Believe me, they will NEVER get a boycott started. Their campaign is already over. This is their fun. We see it all the time in America.
kitvc, Houston, TX/USA
All the press in America the morning after the Oscars revolved around the fact that ALL of the acting awards had been awarded to "Europeans." Go back in time (the internet let's us do this speedily enough) and read how the American media analysed the victors.
This attempt to discredit Ms. Cotillard as an artist is certainly connected to the American media's disappointment at the shut out of American actors for the major acting prizes.
Someone found Cotillard's wacky responses, took them out of context, used the fact that Americans and so many other countries dislike the French and routinely make fun of them, and voila, we have a scandal brewing on our hands.
Well, five years ago if anyone had argued that Iraq really didn't have WMDs or ties to AlQaida people would have lambasted you as "Un-American" and "pro-terrorist." And look at what we have allowed America to do: THEY DESTROYED A COUNTRY AND NOW GET TO REBUILD IT FOR A LARGE WONDERFUL PROFIT AND BOOST TO ITS OWN ECONOMY.
FORRESTER, Ottawa, Canada
I'd just like to say thanks to the Times for allowing a debate about Marion's comments. The Daily Mail only allowed comments says "Is she stupid or something?" when the fact of the matter is there are many, many discrepancies in the official story which was created one the day, even during the 9/11 attacks! and has never been seriously investigated in anything approaching openness. Without it then you are going to get conspiracy theories. We can't even agree on basic facts:
Where was Dick Cheney? Simple?- no.
Airline passenger lists... no.
Blackbox data investigated - no.
Timelines of fighter intercepts - no.
The interviews with other terrorists (extracted by torture) - no (illegally destroyed).
How about the 3 skyscrapers collapse? (Nope unexplained). Molten steel at the base of WTC 1,2 and 7? Disputed.
Barabara Olsen phone call? Never happened according to FBI.
The relatives of the victims of 9/11 are calling for a new investigation. Don't you think we ought to listen
Andy, Surrey, UK
I thought it is supposed to be the land of the free, so whatever happened to freedom of expression. She should be able to say what she pleases, as we all do, regardless of whether she is a celebrity or not! Why don't we all be mature and view an actress for her work whatever her personal opinions may be.
Mona, Peckham, U.K.
Quote:
"I talked three times to Marion overnight. This is worrying her. She is still in shock and does not really know how to react. She doesn't have to apologise for a badly presented and badly interpreted reportage."
My advice: Do NOT back down, Marion! :-)
Two words: Dixie Chicks.
Remembers the exact same artificially created, pumped-up, so-called "wave of outrage" over Natalie Maines' remark back in '03?
Look where they are now and where Bush is now in terms of popularity.
Were they right? Seems like a majority of the American people would agree now. Is Marion right? The verdict has not been spoken, yet, but more and more revelations are pointing to the serious possibility that she is. Sometimes things just take an awful lot of time.
In fact she's in some pretty darn good company:
patriotsquestion911 . com
911blogger . com
Dan, Regensdorf ZH, Switzerland (US expat)
Remember when Barbra Streisand and Alec "i'll verbally abuse my daughter if I want to" Baldwin said they would leave the country if Bush was elected? Funny, but they decided to stay here.
Why? First, they don't have the courage of their convictions. Secondly, the economic motive was too great - for them, as for others, the U.S. is the place where they can make the biggest payday.
Same principle holds with Cotillard. Now she's backpedaling as fast as she can, saying that she didn't really mean what she said, or that it's been misinterpreted blah blah blah, because she has realized - d'oh! - that utterings as offensive as hers could hit her where it counts, in the wallet.
Sure, she's free to make uninformed idiotic comments that place her squarely in the black-helicopter crowd. And those who are offended by her comments are free to react any way they'd like, up to and including not inviting her to participate in multimillion Hollywood film productions.
Free speech and the free market!
bob balaban, Los Angeles, california
I've lived near DC all of my life. One thing you get used to after living here is the recurring themes of the local news stories. Here's one that I read about almost every year:
-Random idiot accidentaly flies over Washington D.C. airspace in a small single or double engine airplane.
-Forementioned idiot is immediately tailed by multiple F-16 aircraft within minutes, and is escorted out of Washington D.C. airspace.
-Incident is mentioned on page 16 of the Post, and the locals **yawn**
And yet, a whole HOUR after two commercial aircraft strikes the WTC towers in NYC, a 757 somehow flies into the Pentagon?
Jay, Anne Arundel County , Maryland USA
Personally I think the best way to encourage freedom of speech is to tiptoe around all of the emotive issues. Don't you?
Adrian Farwell, Bournemouth, UK
"Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts by David Dunbar and Brad Reagan, two editors of the magazine Popular Mechanics" - Well that explains it then... NO IT DOESN'T! You cannot have apologists for the Official Story debunking. They own explanations are completely debunked by other authors (eg "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by David Giffin)! Selective explanations of some of the anomalies of 9/11 does not answer all the questions.
The relatives of the victims of 9/11 want a new enquiry. Are you telling them to "shut up" too?
Andy, Surrey, UK
It was the French that first pointed out the impossibility of a plane the size of a 757 making only a 16 foot hole in the Pentagon and then disappearing -- no tail fin, no motors, no seats, no baggage, no passengers, etc.
Maybe they know more than you think they do.
Rowland , Orleans, MA
The media is attempting to smear Cotillard as an anti-American French nutcase by making out that doubting the official 9/11 story is some kind of poisoned chalice and tantamount to holocaust denial. The fact is that the 9/11 cover-up is so out in the open that most people with two brain cells to rub together know it's a con.
Cotillard is not going off on a mad tangent and endangering her career, she is merely saying what the majority of other people think.
P.P, NY, USA
Speaking as a person who lives in Chicago, she should leave, she is not welcome here.
She is certainly entitled to her opinion and we are entitled not to like it.
mike, chicago, il.
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