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Britain was dragged into the controversy over an anti-Islam film made by a far-Right Dutch MP after Iran condemned its appearance on a UK-based video-sharing website today.
“This heinous measure by a Dutch lawmaker and a British establishment... is indicative of the continuation of the evilness and deep vengeance such Western nationals have against Islam and Muslims,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman said.
Mohammad Ali Hosseini, called on the Dutch, British and other EU governments to block any further showing of “this blasphemous, anti-Islamic and anti-cultural film”.
The 17-minute “documentary” by Geert Wilders had been broadcast on the internet with the aid of an organisation based in Britain, he said.
Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, also condemned the film, titled Fitna, an Arabic word meaning “strife”, while Bangladesh warned it could have “grave consequences”.
A coalition of Jordanian media said it would sue Mr Wilders and urged Arab leaders meeting at a summit in Syria this weekend to review ties with the Netherlands and Denmark.
Governments in the Muslim world are wary of a repeat of what happened two years ago when the publication in Denmark of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad ignited rioting in a dozen countries, leading to about 50 deaths.
Mr Wilders’s film, which intersperses images of the September 11 attacks and other Islamist bombings with quotations from the Koran, was first posted on the website of his small right-wing Freedom Party on Thursday night.
It disappeared after a few minutes because of “technical difficulties” before becoming available in Dutch and English on LiveLeak, a Manchester-based website, raising fears that extremists could also target British interests. Some 4,000 British troops are serving in Iraq and a further 7,800 in Afghanistan.
The company running LiveLeak defended its decision to host the film. “Liveleak.com has a strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech so far as the law and our rules allow,” it said in a statement posted online.
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said “we hold fast and firm to European values of freedom of speech”. However, speaking in Slovenia where he was attending talks with his EU counterparts, he added that “in each of our countries there are legal and judicial systems to ensure that freedom is not used to incite religious or racial hatred”.
An Indonesian foreign ministry spokesman urged his country’s people not to “be incited” by the film which he said had “a racist flavour and is an insult to Islam, hidden under the cover of freedom of expression”.
Arab media were scathing about Mr Wilders today but reluctant to pay him attention and rise to what they saw as his baiting of the Muslim world. A senior editor at al-Jazeera said his influential television station had not given the controversy prominence.
“We don’t see a big story yet. The man [Mr Wilders] is a marginal, low-profile politician and he has even been criticised by Dutch politicians,” he told The Times.
Khaled al-Maeena, the editor of Arab News, an English language Saudi daily, said: “We should let barking dogs bark. This man [Mr Wilders] is an agent provocateur.” He added: “Our paper and the media here [in Saudi Arabia] are asking for calm and peace.”
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I don't agree with Wilders at all, but still, freedom of speech is not about 'ignoring' what he is saying. It's about the possibility to have an open debate about issues in which multiple views can be surfaced.
Let's not forget that another Dutch filmmaker was killed because of a film that showed contrversies in the Islam, which was far more neutral than this film. It's an ongoing debate in which I believe everyone should have a say. The problem is, though, that there will be people who will base their opinion on just one view and in that way the term propaganda suits this action by Wilders. Whether you agree or not, he has a right, just as much as the next guy (or lunatic), to let people know what he thinks. If this is th right way to do that, I don't think so, but is he is putting anyone in danger, it's himself.
LK, Nijmegen/Dublin,
To defend this film is disgusting! Freedom of speech...please! If we were to make films condemming religions and scriptures the world would be worse then it is now....IMAGINE!! Lets not forget the evil acts the Dutch commited during their reign of power - i dont see many films of that being made. 100 million africans died as a result of the growing influence of greed and power through brutal slavery, dont see much of that anymore. Thousands upon thousands of muslims have died as a consequence of RECENT aggression, so lets stop and think in their shoes and how they must feel when a racist bigot in the West points the finger towards them - are they going to sit back and think "oh ignoring him, its only freedom of speech". We are in sensitive times - but nothing has changed since the crusades, negative propaganda was the tool used to gain support for aggression towards the Muslims, and its still the same today. The oppressors will always fail, the ignorant ones will always be blind.
YB, London, UK
The truth hurts.
Alan, Edinburgh,
You can say what you want about the bible and christianity without it being greeted with death threats and violence. This is the fundamental difference between a religion that can live side by side with democracy and one that cannot.
Marco, Rome, Italy
"Fitna" is a juxtaposition of out of context references from the Koran that are relevant only in their historical perspetive,events that took place during and after battles that were fought against those who stood up against Muslims and denied them peaceful co-existance,or broke the terms of truce.Mr.Wilders,to my mind is mentally sick and delusive.The documentary shows bad taste as well as ignorance of history.The Koran bears witness to what Judaism and Christianity preached.Same sex marriage and homosexuality are denoiunced in very strong terms in the old testamrnt..For the first time in the short history of mankind Islam gave the cocept of freedom and equality.Freedom without restraints leads only to indiscpjine and chaos.
I wonder what Mr.Wilders' documentary will achieve.Hatred!
Intolerance!In retaliation a small group of Muslim fanatics might do in addition to what they are already doing and preaching,nothing other than what is un-islamic.
It is hight time sanity prevailed.
Akhtar Mahmood, Modesto, California 95355,U.S.A.
People who can shrug these events off must already be battle hardened!?!
Lisa, Stratford, Italy
So what is wrong with the film. What was incorrect? Apart from the fact that reality once again gets in the way of the present fantasy. No one was threatened no-one was insulted apart from those who had the courage to make the film. As far as content there is worse shown on TV after 9:00pm, even before.
The film highlighted one important fact: the victims who will never be able to let us have their views as they are dead! And in this we are all potential victims.
Alan, Luton,
Khaled al-Maeena, the editor of Arab News, an English language Saudi daily, said: âWe should let barking dogs bark. This man [Mr Wilders] is an agent provocateur.â
How would this gentleman call all his coreligionists shown in 'Fitna' shrieking they're going to take over the entire world and kill all the infidels? That's what is actually contained in Wilders' documentary. It's time for this double-faced Arafat-style call for tolerance to finish. The problem here is not with a supposed incapacity by the Western world to understand Islam. Instead, it is Islam that should explore deep inside itself why all its assertions end up in burning flags and threats to kill the unfaithful ones. The typical image of such a rally in the islamic countries shows more than just a noisy minority protesting and yelling. This is the truth they (and also we as western countries) don't want to have an attentive look at.
Luca Dombrè, Parma, Italy
To Harper.
It is in fact you that are both simple and ignorant. You obviously have little understanding of history.
Here ar ethe facts about the beginning of the crusades that you and your comrades hark on about:-
Islam enforced economic and religious discrimination against those it controlled, making Jews and Christians second-class citizens. In some cases, Muslim leaders went further. An event that may have sparked the initial Crusade in 1095 was the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre by the Fatimid caliph al-Hakim.{1} In fact, many Christians at the time considered al-Hakim to be the Antichrist.
Anne, Newcastle, UK
The many Conservative Muslims who do not publicly and actively condemn the murdering cancer in their midst where these human radical Muslim scum are using Islam to eventually overthrow the West and its values, then they must be counted amongst the Islamic radicals and be condemned also.
Those who are not against my enemies, are also my enemies.
Read The Koran in English and see that it does indeed exhort those who are obviously lacking in a happy, sane life, the radical Muslims, to kill all non-Muslims as well as destroy the Western democracies and political systems in the world. You have all been warned. Do not flinch from the task ahead as they take it as a weakness and they will fight harder. The Bible preaches love. not hate.
BB, madrid, Spain
The reaction to the film proves its very point. I feel sorry for the Dutch people, who are facing a very real threat to their republic, which was around long before anyone over here even dreamed of the idea of a United States of America. If they don't wake up, they may see much, much more of an Islamic influence in their lives than your own Archbishop of Canterbury seems to think appropriate for the British people.
The site that had Fitna had to take it off, because of death threats, but anyone who knows how to find torrents can still get hold of it. This is one movie that should not be allowed to be swept under the rug.
natan, Washington DC, USA
Lisa from Milan, Italy said "You couldnt make a movie like this on christianity even if you wanted to." This simple girl must be ignorant about her own co-religionists. What about the crusades (read about how women and children were massacred indiscriminately by Christian crusaders), Apartheid, the Holocaust, the genocide in Bosnia, and many others perpetrated by Christians, including Hiroshima bombing...? It's easy to say "but Christianity doesn't ask its followers to do those evil deeds", but isn't that what Muslims also say? I can even quote verses from the Bible which justifies those killings I mentioned above.
Harper, Singapore,
Will from Oxford said, "Europe has chosen her offical line: to defend the predator and inflict on the victim!" Not just Europe, the whole western world. From our elementary schools where the bully AND the victim are equally punished or the victim is told to 'ignore it' all the way to the serious global crisis of Islamic terrorism and supremacism.
This attitude must be stopped. I hope, and trust, that the next couple of generations, at least in America, will put an end to the this travesty of blaming the victim, or having protected classes of people based on race or religion who are allowed to carry out all manner or atrocities with impunity!
Stephanie Anderson, Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
The western world is dying! Arnold Toynbee once said that civilisations dont die because of homocide but because of suicide. Europe has chosen her offical line: to defend the predator and inflict on the victim!
Will, Oxford, UK
Lets put it this way, You couldnt make a movie like this on christianity even if you wanted to. What does that tell you?
Lisa, Milan, Italy
Sorry to disagree with some of the commenters here, but I went to about one hundred funerals/services after the towers fell... many with us paying respect to an empty box.
Screw anyone who has a problem with this film. Wilders could have chosen to NOT fade away when those butchers cut that poor man's head off. All the talk of "moderate" Muslims is garbage; they won't excise the cancer in their community, yet expect us to respect them?
As you UK types say, "Bollox!"
TC, Staten Island, USA
This is why we yanks don't just "value" free speech, we have it as a god-given, unalienable right. Woe be unto anyone that would attempt to deprive us of that right, because we also have the right to keep and bear arms. The two rights go hand-in-hand.
Americans are hosting the film at their websites by the scores.
God save the Queen!
egg, Maryland, USA
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said âwe hold fast and firm to European values of freedom of speechâ. However, speaking in Slovenia where he was attending talks with his EU counterparts, he added that âin each of our countries there are legal and judicial systems to ensure that freedom is not used to incite religious or racial hatredâ.
Extortion is a criminal offence whereby an individual obtains desired behavior from another by wrongfully threatening or inflicting harm to his person.
As a result of serious death threats, LiveLeak withdrew fitna from its servers. It will be interesting to see if the British hold "fast and firm" to criminal justice and investigate and punish those who used extortion to obtain the removal of Fitna from the public forum.
Wallace Edward Brand, Alexandria, VA, US
Mature societies are able to tolerate the views of those who verbally oppose taboos, such as those surrounding religion.
Let us see whether Moslem societies can demonstrate such maturity.
Andrew, Hong Kong, China
With comments such as the one from Iran, Wilders proves his point, they cannot accept criticism, if its untrue then they could say so and why. It proves what Wilders tries to project in his film.
Faqi, London, UK
So a documentary on David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh expounded their views and direct quotations from the bible would be a fair and accurate representation of the Christian faith?
Ali, Flekke, Norrway
I don't see what all the fuss is all about. I don't see any lies in the clip. All of it was taken from actual events. deal with reality, don't shoot the messenger.
Simon M, London, UK
TO ben, FL
The bible is a book of peace that preaches tolerance and love. This is in contrast to what we know and have seen in this video.
Ann, Worcester, UK
Geert Wilders' real concern for Dutch people and their interests in the world would be a lot more credible if he wasn't so friendly with Israel (one report says he has visited there 40 times). The vast sums that that country gets from the US pays for a massive, very professional propaganda campaign, of which this is just one small part.
Andy Dyer, London, UK,
The film solely contains documentary clips of actual Islamic doings and practises, rabid sermons and atrocities - most filmed by fellow muslims - spiced with correct translations from the Quran - and so mirrors at least a segment of Islam.
If this insults Muslims, then Islam itself insults them.
Gerald B., Aarhus, Denmark
In other words, he published a video on a private website about this? Frankly, the Muslim Nations have no right to criticize; it's not as if he's posting this on an official government website.
Brett, Salt Lake City, USA
If I were muslim, I would give a fatwa to the actors in this film!
Fred, Essex, UK
I think we in the tolerant West are too concerned about others feelings but recall that we are dealing with the Evil of evils-Islam. There should be more debate and openness about Islam,
From what I see, it is clear that Islam has chosen a serpent for a councillor and a dog for a schoolteacher. I love the Arab people and I am in fact from the East, so its time to save brainwash Arab people so that that they can take their place in this world with pride and dignity. Islam has stolen their dignity and self-esteem. Sadly the Arab people have become a toothless dog.
Matt, Richmond, VA
Matt, Richmond, VA
The video is of Muslim people inciting hatred against non-Muslims.So why is it condemned as anti-Islamic?Europe needs to wake up fast and get rid of its grovelling,cowardly politicians who allow Islamists to insult and threaten other religions and countries.I whole-heartedly support Wilders right to free speech and his honesty.
tony, leeds, uk
Wonderful. Without this free publicity by the Iranian and Indonesian governments most of us would never have heard of this video or this Orange-flavoured fascist. The BNP must be red with envy.
Paul, Coventry,
"Mr Wildersâs film, which intersperses images of the September 11 attacks and other Islamist bombings with quotations from the Koran..."
What is "blasphemous, anti-Islamic and anti-cultural" about the scenario is that extremists use the Qu'ranic verses portrayed (about beheading unbelievers wherever you find them etc) to indoctrinate others. Wilders is an idiot. But the Muslim world's reponse should be to distance itself from the extremist interpretation of these verses and to explain them, rather than fuelling the fire of hatred.
Tom, London,
The Muslim governments have used this video as propaganda. So because a British website hosts a Dutch nutter's video, "Western nationals" must all have "evilness and deep vengeance...against Islam and Muslims." They have acted more irresponsibly than Wilders. Perhaps they have their own agendas against the West, or just use such unfortunate happenings to score political points and secure support in their own countries. I don't know....
Tom, Oxford,
Personally, I'm totally fed-up with the western media and some politicians trying to appease Islamic groups by gagging free speech and expression.
At one time it was the Jewish lobby in the UK that had the monopoly on sensitive feelings and any criticism of Jews or Israel's belligerent government was considered anti-Semitic.
Now we are faced with the radical Islamic movements and Islamic terrorist groups who are attempting to restrict expression in the west so that it conforms to their rigid codes.
I say - "go boil your heads". If you don't like our rules find somewhere different.
Oxford Don, Oxford, UK
I'm sorry-is this film really worse than the one produced by radical Islamics using a ten-year-old(?) girl and an adult dressed in a bunny costume that teaches children to kill everyone who disagrees with these lunatics? How about the one in which they used Mickey Mouse for the same? It's amazing to me that the radicals who scream the loudest re insults to their "culture" and "religion" (radicals aren't practicing the true Islamic faith) are the very ones who are using the media to spread their hateful messages under the banner of freedom of speech. No civilized society denies the rights of others it claims for itself, and the sooner people stop making generalizations about other faiths and cultures, the sooner we'll have Peace-which starts with individuals, including Mr Wilders. If people speak unkindly of you, live your life so no one will believe it, and for God's sake GROW UP. Is the Islamic faith really so fragile that it needs nutbags to kill everyone who has a different opinion?
Tiffany, St. Louis, USA
It's irrelevant where the movie is hosted now, it will be on BitTorrent, YouTube, etc, for ever. Just like any other controversial material that people can't accept.
I thought the film was well done, most of it is comprised of the words and actions of Muslims themselves, with passages from the Quran for context. You can't pretend they didn't say these things, or that the events did not occur. The only part that is suspect, is the frequent use of newspaper headlines, but again I think those are provided as historical context rather than evidence.
As for rather it is representative of Muslims in general, it is the same defensive argument made by Christians and I suppose adherents of every other religion. They all claim to be about peace, love, and happiness, but it is only peace when opposing viewpoints are extinguished and love of those who look and think exactly as they do.
Without the Quran and Bible, there would be no al-Qaeda, no 9/11, no Iraq war, no crusades, no Holocaust..
Ben, FL,
Having watched the video I can't really see what upsets them. It just shows Muslims preaching how much they hate non Muslims and Muslims killing in the name of Islam.
Whether they like it or not these are things we've known and seen for years so I guess the truth hurts. You have to ask yourself why Muslims are so afriad of the truth!
John, Salford, England
Iran condems it? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Nothing in the film was extraordinary in that all the images have been shown in various newscasts over the years. And if I recall correctly, the hanging of the two boys for being homosexual took place in Iran. Why would that offend them?
So forgive me for having a bit of trouble accepting Iran calling it blasphemous as it merely shows what they do as standard religious policy to people like homosexuals and women. And where are the protests in the Islamic world when the West is being ridiculed on a daily basis in arabic newspapers? Let's not play the murdered innocence here, please!
Victor D., Athens, Greece
And the muslim people who may suffer as a result of this video are not extremists.
This video will help the extremists weed out the moderate muslims who want to live in peace so they can be executed.
Where is the social responsibility in all of this. There is absolutely no objectivity.
Thanks Geert - that was really informative.
njss, london, uk
Note, that not one of the Muslim countries condemning the film claims the content to be false, merely blasphemous and insulting.
I agree with Geert Wilders statement that the film is a "five-minutes-to midnight" wake up call to a complacent and sleeping West as to the dangers of creeping radical islamism.
The purveyors of extremist islamic violence, responsible for countless attrocities do not care to be placated they intend to conquer and dominate us . They use and aduse Western "civilised", politically correct, liberalism to position themselves for a final push. The mass of silent muslims give them support by failing to oppose or denounce them and are just as fearful of them as the West.
Do the math, of 1 billion muslims and 10 percent are defined as radical, and a mere one percent of those are willing to resort to extreme violence we have a million potential Osama Bin Ladens.
With the exception of a brave few like Geert Wilders the rest of Europe are asleep.
Mark, Bournemouth, UK
The West has achieved freedom of speech after centuries of bloodshed... Not only should this movie (which only says the truth) should be disseminated far and wide, but others on the same theme too until Muslims and Muslim countries understands that they cannot ask for their Iron age morality to be followed by the West.
Pastaneta, NYC, USA
I have just watched this. It isn't anti-Islamic at all. It just translates what has been written and what their preachers are saying.
They hate the West, they want to kill all non-Muslims and they will stop at nothing till they achieve that. Their tactics are to take over by violently killing non-Muslims or by breeding at a much faster rate and using the welfare states in the West to fund them or selling the Western youth drugs grown from their poppy fields.
This video is a manifesto for Muslims and shows them in a very real light.
How can translating their words be seen as anti-Muslim unless the messages they are uttering are evil.
Guys, enough is enough.
bruce, stafford,
It would have been just as effective, and as hate filled, to simply replay excerpts of speeches by the leaders of radical Islam or of countries like Syria and Iran. Wait, that's exactly what he did -- maybe folks just didn't like the music.
Bryan Brattin, College Station,
Respect for the belief of others is a courtesy.
Cult, sects, rightwing fascist groups or religions that threaten death to people who challenge their views or want to leave the group do not deserve respect, they deserve condemnation.
had, nottingham, england
The video is simply a compilation of terrorist acts that were created by islamists, footage of anti-western rhetoric from imams in mosques, and direct quotations from the Quran. I'm not exactly sure why the muslim world is so offended. The words and actions in the film are all real footage of muslims. It would be better if they directed their anger at the extremists in their midst that do this, rather than a film maker reports it. Perhaps then, people in the West would be better able to distinguish between "moderate" muslims and "extreme" muslims.
Paul, The Hague, The Netherlands
Funny how none of the Muslim governments call the actual violence depicted in the film -- violence that the perpetrators justified with reference to the Qur'an -- hateful, blasphemous, and un-Islamic.
Elsewhere, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry has said the film was defamatory and "deeply offended" Muslim sentiments.
Did Pakistan's Foreign Ministry ever say that about 9/11? 7/7? The Madrid train bombings? Any act of Islamic terror in fact?
No. I thought not.
Ian, Manchester, UK
It's the same old story. None Muslims cannot exercise any freedom of speech to criticise any aspect of Islam without, no doubt yet to come, staged managed pictures of outraged Muslims burning flags and condeming Israel, the US and the West in general.
We will also hear politicians repeating the mantra that '..the vast majority of Muslims are law abiding citizens and wish to live in peace...'.. Such a statement is difficult to quantify, but one fact that is incontrovertible is that the vast majority of world wide atrocities, murders and the random killings of thousands of innocent people is carried out by Muslims, in the name of Islam.
pip, croydon, surrey
thi film will do nothing but incite more violence from opportunist ...which in turn will serve no country in this world except israel .....
sadi, new delhi, india
The only "hatred" being "incited" (wonderful Orwellian phraseology) here is from the more excitable muslims against the makers and purveyors of the film. I don't believe that was what the ridiculous law was intended to rule against, but that's what happens when supine politicians start to combat free speech.
robert, London,
Surely we also have to be careful not to enter into a state where we are forever walking on egg shells around any topics which islam is not happy about.
Arthur, Newcastle,
So if someone posted it on a website based in Iran, would Iran condem Iran? Thought not. Why are statements like this from Iran so illogical?
julian, shrewsbury, uk
Boring !
Dave, Knysna,