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The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, will use a Paris summit next weekend to increase pressure on Ireland’s prime minister to find a way out of the impasse created by his country’s rejection of the Lisbon treaty, aimed at re-organising the European Union.
Brian Cowen, the Irish leader, may want to keep a low profile at a weekend of French festivities starting on July 13 when he will again face the ire of EU leaders over Ireland’s no vote on the treaty.
France assumed the presidency of the EU for six months last Tuesday and Sarkozy is to travel to Dublin on July 21 to ram home the point in talks with the taoiseach.
The French strategy appears to be aimed at isolating Ireland, the only country so far to have rejected the treaty, a scaled-down version of the EU constitution rejected by France and Holland in 2005. It calls for an EU president and foreign minister and more decisions by majority votes.
Speaking in Paris last week, Sarkozy made it clear there would be no reworking of the document simply because it had been turned down by Ireland. EU leaders had struggled for more than a year to redraft the text after the French and Dutch referendum no verdicts.
“There will be no treaty part III,” he said, indicating that the Irish would be expected to hold another referendum or show agreement through a parliamentary vote.
“If the perspective of a second vote in Ireland has been raised it is because it has happened before,” Sarkozy told journalists, referring to Ireland’s second referendum on the Nice treaty in 2002. “We need some kind of vote to get out of the situation – in parliament or in a referendum, I don’t know. But when democratic society says ‘no’, you need a democratic solution.”
Last week Cyprus became the latest country to ratify the document. The Dutch were expected to follow suit this week. France and Britain have already given their approval. However, ratification is stalled in the Czech Republic while its highest court examines whether it is constitutional.
Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, has threatened to block the treaty pending the court’s verdict. He recently hit out at French efforts to put the treaty back on track and ignore Irish public opinion.
“I expect a lot of pressure to create a European Union à la France,” he said. “Our view is different and we must make an effort to ensure the EU does not develop in the way France and the rejected Lisbon treaty are pushing for.”
A recent opinion poll showed support for the EU has reached its lowest level in Britain since 1983. Of those polled 32% thought the UK’s membership of the EU was a bad thing, compared with 30% who thought it was beneficial.
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Eighteen of the 27 European Union member states, including Britain, have
ratified the Lisbon treaty.
Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands are expected to push it through – with Poland, the Czech Republic and Ireland still posing a headache for Brussels.
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It only took one small boy to take down Goliath. Just one small boy with courage and conviction, while his elders were paralyzed by fear and intimidation. Nothing is impossible if you truly believe in what is right and just.
Walter V. Gilles, Nipomo, USA
hey ireland can always join the north american union ! we would be proud to have you !
dan enemy, st.louis, nau
the EU made the rules now it wants to coerce a country that followed them.
Politicians do not respect the rights of their voters,why do we vote at all I wonder
Michael Wilkinson, Telford, England
This isn't just Ireland, in England the unalienable right of self sovereignty is being asserted by individuals, myself included. The UN/EU are commercial entities, a fiction in law and as such they have no juresdiction over human beings, only over a contracted party referred to as the 'person'.
D Stanley, coventry, England
Hey Ireland tell Mr.France to get a grip on his own personal life. A constitution is great until the judges change and rewrite the original meaning. I live in America. If America still followed it's own constitution ,we would not be at war in the middle east.
Big business has bought the govertment
Charles, Fort Worth, Texas, USA
We will have a full European union (with ID cards). There is a top-level plan that is no longer hidden. It does not matter who votes 'NO'. 'NO' is an inconvenience. Democracy exists only for certain issues of low importance. You cannot influence matters of war and sovereignty. We pay taxes. Thats it
John Lynch, Merseyside, England
Right after Ireland voted "No", Sarkozy released a statement of wanting to increase have a huge European military. I am sure he would love to send troops into Ireland right now and show them the brutality of a police state. No European countries should sign the European pseudo-constitution.
Odin, Valhalla, USA
Per George Bush, "A consitution is just a damn piece of paper." No European country should sign onto a constitution; it will be disregarded by the government once they have established a military; and then your citizens will have no rights and no freedom.
Odin, Valhalla, USA
I guess Rothschild family is not happy that their NWO government was rejected. Polish President already said that will not sign the "treaty" after the Irish vote. Irish are not alone, more European leaders will express their displeasure at the way Sarko is hitting the Irish people.
Wes, Cuiaba,
Legitimate elections. Do France or Germany or Britain or the USA even have legitimate elections anymore..I don't think so. All of these countries have leaders that run off to grovel at the zionists feet. How sick.. It is the zionists that have been pushing for control of Europe too.
jim, richmond, usa
Stick to your guns Ireland. No means no. It was decided democratically and you should not be coerced into a different position.
Another lovely French whine!!!
Grant, Langley, Canada
Ireland, stand firm; don't be bullied!
Say *NO* and keep on saying it, the people of Europe who are denied their voice are behind you!
*No* a thousand times *NO*
MrsG, Wxm, Wales
There will be a EU without the brits eh?
we are already signed up !
How many countries would join Britain to form a new union ?
Oh i think all of them except France and germany,they would join later.
I think what everyone is missing is this treaty is the death of democracy
Phil , Hartlepool, England
This is the death of democracy because the countries that have held a referendum have voted NO.
How can people bury their heads in the sand,Governments are ignoring the voters and signing up to a non democratic system.
Ireland should not be bullied by an unelected president of the corupt EU...
Phil , Hartlepool, England
So Sarkozy wants the Irish to find a "democratic solution", just as long as it is what he desires....?
Funny, I thought they already did.
They said NO.
farang, Tamuning,
May I suggest a revote on the Ahern's handling over the six counties to the Brits. What other county would have been
conned in to such as act. The only concrete statement
in the entire agreement is recision of Articles 2 and 3, all
else was wishful thinking.
mary osullivan, chicago, US
As an off side. Some Democracy in America. Iraq - weapons of mass destruction. Some Democracy in Britain, Iraq - weapons of mass destruction. Some Democracy in Australia, Iraq - weapons of mass destruction. Need I go on. If voting could change anything it would be abolished.
James Gough, Dublin, Ireland
David .. from a British perspective.
The euro mob can easily do without the Brits. Just try how many countries would join Britain to form a new Union. Not many, as they all want prosperity. If Britain and Ireland want out - the door is open. Sooner or later there will be a EU without the Brits.
Heinz Koenig, Bremen, Germany
This is not democracy this is bullying. We want no part of this new Empire. We, the Irish people, an clann na gael, suffered enough under our last "betters". No more. Stay at home Sarkozy.
Desmond, Galway, Ireland
Germany has supended ratification pending a legal challenge by Peter Gauweiler(CSU). If Britain's Conservatives can be taken at face value, then they will hold a referendum on the treaty, on gaining power.
The push for a dead treaty smells of jobs for the boys.
Peter Briody, Immenstaad, Germany
To label Ireland as the only country to reject the treat surely misses the point that Ireland is the only country that has allowed it's citizens to express a preference. It would be interesting to see what would happen if all the other EU countries held a referendum on the treaty.
Timothy, Bury,
problems here, problems there, problems everywhere...stop wheinging! the one thing I see is that we haven't fought a war on these lands since 1945.
delia, Paris, Fr.
If needs be lets start all over again but this time it would be a good idea to establish what the people are willing to sign up to. I don't think that Ireland would have a problem voting again if referenda were also held in all member states.
Kostas Papadopoulos, Dublin, Ireland
The key element in the remarks of President Sarkozy is the comment; "But when a democratic society says no, you need a democratic solution". As in the case of the Danes when they initially voted no to the Maastrciht Treaty, such a solution will be found. Nobody is pushing anybody around.
Seosamh, Cathair,
To finger Ireland "as the only country to reject the treaty" is to forget Ireland simply put the issues to the people to decide in a referendum. An democratic voting opportunity denied to the vast majority of our neibours in EU memebr states.
Greg Eager, Knockanure, Co Kerry, Eire
As a pro-european guy, I must admit that Sarkozy and Merkel are heading the wrong direction. Saying "the people are not intelligent enough to understand what's good for them" is dangerous. The definition of democracy is that the people are always right, no matter what decision they take.
Horace, Firenze (Florence), Italy
As a registered Irish voter I said yes when I voted but if a second referendum is held I shall vote no, sorry France the Irish people have spoken.
Derek Gilson, Dublin, Ireland
The EU community should deplore this Mugabe style of Sarkozy democracy!!!! How dare he god the Irish Government into re-running the referendum until they get a yes vote or force the matter through their Parliament.
Stuart Brass, Darlington, UK
There are other places he can apply the screw. A divorced politician cannot be taken seriously.
geert, cape town, south africa
Sarkozy doesn't see this as anti-democratic, because for France, and the rest of the world, democracy means "the majority rules & the minority who disagrees simply has to live with it". To him, Ireland has to live with it. Either Democracy is flawed, or our limited application of it - you decide!
Selina, Brighton, UK
Democracy is about letting the people vote to have the Europe
they choose, Let everyone have their say and vote, Dont try and pull the wool over peoples eyes any more
mik flynn, cork, ireland
Pascale and Martin have it right. Let Sarkosy go ahead with his Franco-German autocratic Union if the latter will tolerate it. Leave the rest to choose democracy.
Robert, Luxembourg,
Sarkozy has succeeded in angering so many in the EU with his attitude to the "Irish hiccup", as he put it. And he still doesn't realise that France has been a global irrelevance for 60 years. And democracy is a concept that he has not grasped either. He is at best a fool, and at worst a danger.
Paul, Dublin, Ireland
I hope a second referendum will not take place. If ,however the Ireland will be forced to do it, then an astounding NO, louder than the previous one should be heard.And this probably will knock down definetly the scumbags from Bruselles.
Michael, NEw York City, USA
The whole of the EU nations pride themselves on being democratic intuitions ,Soldiers are dying both in Iran and Afghanistan at this moment to force governments to be democratic ,BUT when it comes to EU states and internal democracy its the French way or no way.
The people of Ireland led by a democratic government where given the right to vote on the treaty, they voted a resounding NO, that should be it, At lest the Irish government where brave enough to give their peoples the vote, but no, other governments have hidden and refused to let the people have their say. Britain under the so called leadership of Brown being one of them
It has been proven by France, Holland and now Ireland that the people dont want the Treaty ,Let this treaty die its death
A.R.Wascoe, dundee, scotland
Did the fact that Ireland is soon set to become a net payer play a part of their "no" vote?
The EU should continue to move forward. If you need 100% consensus from every country, you will never get anywhere. Ireland can leave the EU if they choose not to adopt the treaty.
Cliff, London, UK
With their minds stuck in the seventies, it's hard for the French to understand that Europe is not Africa. You cannot bully, blackmail, bamboozle or bomb your way to grandeur. France should stop insulting us.
Shape up or ship out.
Brock, Amsterdam, Netherlands
What we're up against here is that democracy, as a system, has some major failings, in that it can be monopolised and manipulated by a tyrannical elite.
The political spectrum runs: monarchy - oligarchy - democracy - republic - anarchy.
My solution: IF the EU must survive, make it into a Republic.
Matt, London, England
From a british perspective ,why would we want to align ourselves with the euro mob,considering the emerging dynamics of the world will be coming from India and China, both countries that we still have strong ties, along with the U.S.A. , Canada,Australia, and the other commonwealth countries.
david, London, England
Should you be forced to vote again by our MASTERS in Brussels, please VOTE NO and save us from the clutches of thiese unelected and unwanted corrupt politicians in Brussels, if we were all allowed a vote, I,m sure the answer would be an overwhelming NO.
david, Helsinki, Finland
This labour government promised us a say a referendum, and we havent had one. Are we to stupid to know whats best? This is a democratic country, I wonder who the first eu president will be? Thats right a Mr Tony blair, not a bad deal, get your country in and you can have the top job. We are mugs!
Daniel, Hull, England
Its true that there is a rot in Europe.It is at the core,in France.
I propose a North and East - South and West split with The Scans+Brits+Irish+Dutch+all Eastern Europe on one side and France+Italy+Austria and to the south in the other.Germany would have to choose. People would vote for this.
Mike, Newmarket, UK
Well, two choices as I see it:
1- Start all over again and again and again or
2- Create a EU for the yeses sides.....
Francois Sauveur, Marseille, France
Sarkozy and the EU have picked the wrong nation (Ireland) to try and push around.
Paul Gibbins, London, UK
The People of the World require only a Democracy, where a Referendum is held on ALL major issues, exactly as PROMISED!
The EEC, or EU, or whatever they are calling themselves this week, are not only a disgrace, they are quite simply an UNELECTED ILLEGAL ORGANISATION!
BURGHARD, LANCING, ENGLAND
I was initially in favour of the treaty, especially when I saw the parties that were pushing a No vote. But the rules of the game from the start were that every country must ratify it for it to pass - that's it. The rules can't change after the fact. Sarkozy should stay the hell away from Ireland.
Paul, Dublin, Ireland
pascal-pierre of Brittany EU (France) is right.
Either love democracy, or leave it.
If France cannot cope with the democratic rights of other states in the EU, then France must leave the EU at once. They could form a Franco-German Union and leave the rest of Europe to live in a democratic union.
Martin, Telford, UK
The EU basically reworded their failed Constitution and this time took the matter out of the hands of voters by seeking ratification. The one country (Ireland) that did hold a referendum was indicative that the Treaty of Lisbon would not have passed if left to the people of Europe.
Not democratic!
Daniel, Melbourne, Australia
"when democratic society says no, you need a democratic solution"
I've read similar quotes from quite a few European politicians. When democratic society says no, that IS the democratic solution. It means the politicians and diplomats who drafted the proposal were wrong and must start again.
Fergus, London (ex Dublin),
When a democratic society says 'no', it means 'no'. Sarkozy's idea of a "democratic solution" is to keep making the Irish vote until they come up with the right answer. That's not democracy. Like it or not, the Irish people have expressed their democratic view. Learn to live with it, Sarkozy.
Karl, Castlerock, Northern Ireland
Pressuring Ireland into saying yes to this treaty is not my idea of democracy or freedom. The E.U. is a totalitarian organisation and the idea of sarkozy going to meet with Brian cowen just reminds me of Hitlers meeting with Kurt Schuschnigg at the Berchtesgaden where he demanded Austria.
Paul sephton, Maghull, uk
When will they learn, when a democratic society says no you accept it, not try to change it because you did not like the answer you got, that's the whole idea of a democratic society.
Peter, Birmingham, UK
"The democratic solution" Mr Sarkozy has in mind is to coerce and bully until he gets his way. The French and Dutch said "No" to pretty much the same thing a couple of years ago and they weren't subject to the same dictatorial tactics
What part of "No" did you fail to understand, Mr Sarkozy?
Caroline, Wexford, Ireland
Love it or leave it! That's all....
pascal-pierre, Brittany, EU (France)